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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg it's time for the

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great debate on the para cast with Gene

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and Chris and the Great Debaters consist

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in alphabetical order of John Alexander

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and Stanton Friedman both of whom have

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been on the show before

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and although they both accept the

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reality of UFOs they have different

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ideas about whether there's a cosmic

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Watergate that the government any

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government on our planet has guilty

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knowledge about the existence of

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extraterrestrial spacecraft so we're

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going to have that discussion we're also

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going to focus on the other issues such

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as the mj-12 documents indicating a

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committee that allegedly investigated

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the roswell and other cases we also have

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questions from our listeners tons of

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action to go through so I'm going to

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keep the introductions to a minimum and

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I'm going to ask some questions chris is

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going to ask some questions and will

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allow the participants because this is

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not a formal political debate as you've

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been seeing now to talk with each other

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they can ask each other questions okay

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and because there are so many thousands

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of miles apart it's not as if they could

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walk through the microphone and beat

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each other up although that might be a

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change you know instead of having just

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thrown down okay so you can beat up Stan

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but he won't feel it the other way

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around okay when we had you on before

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John I think one of the questions I

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asked you was about so-called UFO

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secrecy I take it you do not accept the

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proposition that the government has

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guilty knowledge about the reality of

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UFOs do I take that correctly yep they

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don't care would you be more specific

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specific than they don't care I don't

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know say that it's just not on their

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agenda all this call for government

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disclosure it's a waste of time it's

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been happening and happening and

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happening and any number of countries

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have come forward US has come forward

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there's a website where you get a DoD

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website that you can go up there and hit

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all of the agencies and I'd say there's

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the possibility that there's something

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hidden in somebody's drawers yeah but

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anything significant I don't think so

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Stan you disagree I am and I totally

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disagree with that I've read John's book

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and there are certainly parts of it that

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I agree with especially about the

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colonel Corso etc but I think he missed

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the boat I think we are dealing with a

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cosmic Watergate I think there are three

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genuine mj-12 documents he is wrong when

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he says that the government has released

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all kinds of stuff I mean well it

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depends on definition the National

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Security Agency turned up 156 UFO

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documents and they're released except

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that you can only read one sentence per

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page there are a number of CIA those

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were top-secret umbra documents

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specifically stan one sentence per page

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meaning everything else was redacted

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blacked out no it was whited out one way

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literally and that was because I used to

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show the blacked out ones on television

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I called them and asked for the new set

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and she knew who I was because she heard

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that I showed them on television without

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saying that what was blacked out was

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method sources and methods information

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which is a legitimate reason for

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redacting stuff but when you get the CIA

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blacked out a top-secret not the secret

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ones the top secret UFO documents and

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they're so labeled by them you find that

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know you can read six or eight words per

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page everything else is right though

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literally redacted if you will is their

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only hand stand as to what they're

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blocking out anything to be inferred by

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the context only that it uf

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related you have no way of knowing you

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got one sentence per page that you can

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read and a few isolated words that you

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can read in the CIA top-secret stuff now

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I'm not talking about secret stuff and

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that's where I again disagree with John

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yes there's no question the United

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Kingdom has released a bunch of

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documents the DoD their mo D and

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France's released them there's no

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evidence any of those are top-secret and

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a very important point that John doesn't

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deal with in his book is the statement

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of general Carroll Bolender Air Force

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general who was asked what should we do

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about Project Blue Book

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it's in 1969 after the Condon committee

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had recommended closing it because it

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wasn't contributing anything he had no

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nothin no previous history with Blue

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Book and he did a study and it was his

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memo that led to the closure at the end

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of 69 and in it he said reports of UFOs

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which could affect national security are

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made in accordance with J Knapp 146 or

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Air Force manual 50 5-11 and are not

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part of the Blue Book System paragraphs

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later he says a pre closed Project Blue

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Book the public won't have a place to

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report sightings however as previously

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noted reports which could affect

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national security will continue to be

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investigated using the procedures

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established for that purpose I locate a

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general Bolender ten years later and I

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said sounds like you're talking about a

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to two separate channel communication

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system he said yes so puts a whole

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different light on things the good stuff

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didn't you can't get on the internet you

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can't get from the government agencies

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in any of the countries that have

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released data I'll tell you why at this

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point

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I found challenges champing of the bit

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John what is your response of course you

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know again it gets back to national

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security and that's where everything

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hinges no I argue and having looked at

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both sides of it and seen the the TF

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stuff they probably should have

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investigated more and harder than they

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actually did the sightings that stands

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you know well aware of and

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northern tier and where missiles come

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offline you're interacting with our

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strategic systems basically looked at it

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and came back with what the hell you

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know we can't figure it out doesn't

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happen again we're not gonna worry about

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it but it did happen again but the point

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is that the documents you say reveal

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everything they know don't reveal what

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they know and national security was the

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of course the objective and we would

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agree there's a lot of junk out there

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holy cow keep you busy for ages reading

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that stuff but the good stuff hasn't

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shown up and I don't think you and your

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my tell me that the directors of these

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agencies don't have a need to know I'm

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gonna say that they wouldn't tell you if

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you did didn't have a need to know and

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there's no evidence that you provided

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that you did that's always the

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possibility and the easy way out but I

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am the one who has gone one-to-one with

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more of these folks than anybody else I

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would agree with that and I will go you

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know specifically the one that comes up

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of course has to do with SDI and I can

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tell you not even cognizant of the topic

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let alone involved would you define what

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you meant by SDI time Oh Star Wars the

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Strategic Defense Initiative okay sir

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Reagan and Teller yeah yeah and ufology

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you know that was put together to fight

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80 if you believe some of the more

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radical rulers again well Abramson was

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one of the people that I met with I know

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a couple of the tech directors and one

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of them whom I've now identified being

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jawed intimately knew him for years we

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discussed this in considerable detail in

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addition to being the guy in charge of

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the technical director for Star Wars he

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later the national intelligence officer

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for science and technology that's where

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it all comes together yeah we discussed

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this we discussed it in tanks we

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discussed it privately for years the

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only reason I identify him now is that

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he unfortunately died suddenly a little

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over a year ago and just you know hard

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to believe but not on their scope I'll

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tell you what we'll go in look we'll go

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into the scopes of the supposed

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knowledge or lack of knowledge in the

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John Alexander and Stanton Friedman John

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you were talking about

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once again the fact that you believe

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that UFOs as far as the government is

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concerned it's not important to them

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it's on their brain well I realized I

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used sort of a military term we say not

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on their scope what we mean is it's a

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euphemism for radar scopes and and that

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is absolutely nothing they're seen UFOs

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on radar John well in this the euphemism

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is the point they simply don't care when

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Bob Bigelow and I went to Space Command

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to talk to them about some really

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straightforward things again UFO was a

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very side issue we were talking about

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manned space and they weren't even

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cognizant of what was coming you know

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with Burt Rutan and with Bigelow was

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doing and that sort of thing for them

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manned space was strictly the

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International Space Station so if you

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think the space architecture is aware of

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these things cares it's just simply not

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true

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well John but that makes a good argument

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for there being another an independent

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agency call it majestic 12 if you will

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just as you know President Truman didn't

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know about the Manhattan Project when he

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was vice president he didn't have a need

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to know wasn't part of the scope of his

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work took 13 days after it would became

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present okay who is it today is always

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somebody else look the majestic 12 group

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was a good start obviously the role did

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we didn't find out about them until

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after that assuming they were created it

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was something totally different we now

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know what that was

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with yours of course it had everything

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to do with UFOs it had nothing to do

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with continuity

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what was your phrase continuity of

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government CEO G and some of the people

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on there certainly wouldn't have been on

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any such oh no what to disagree that

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list was perfect for the precursor for

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the politicians there were no government

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people people with government elected

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officials kind of thing that was a loon

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ology group an outstanding technology

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group of government oh it had to do with

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what is it that we're worried about how

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do we protect this for all the more DC

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is all people with experience with

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nuclear weapons how do we spell the head

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of the National Academy of Sciences you

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know you had a bunch of your of space

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types three different guys have been

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head of NACA for example before it

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became a sa but I don't see any

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connection there and also I find it

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we're weapons these guys weren't nuclear

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weapons guys Bush's outfit you never in

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your in your book talk about the thing

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called lusty an organization whose major

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objective was looking at crashed

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aircraft look Bratva you understand and

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gathering bits and pieces and trying to

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find out how they work perfect outfit to

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take on flying saucers

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you never mentioned the office of

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scientific research and development Bush

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was head of that during the war they did

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80 or 90 different technology

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development programs the proximity fuze

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and radar and there were a whole bunch

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of other things all for use during the

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war to win the war and so you have them

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that you say that the government is

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Roswell had happened they would have

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taken this stuff to Los Alamos and not

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to right field bright field was doing

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tons of work on trying to figure out

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from crash vehicles they brought back

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literally tons of paper from Germany I

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think we're getting to more of this more

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of the ins and outs will come in a

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moment we need to ask a few questions

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Chris you're kind of champing at the bit

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there I am a gentleman that I I don't

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want a name by name but all of us know

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who he is used to be involved with the

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DSP spy satellite program

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he made a very revealing comment to me

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at the last MUFON symposium and his

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assertion is that every satellite system

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spy satellite system that we have

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deployed since 1999 one of their

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taskings is to find out where UFOs come

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from and where they go he says these are

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well yeah not true okay I mean I I'm

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talking to people to design the space

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architecture so this is not a game this

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is not a case that my source is better

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than your source

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he's pretty insistent he says that these

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satellites are tasked that's one of

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their taskings is to look for fast

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Walker's and other objects that they

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don't have any sort of idea of where

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they're coming from or going go into

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okay well in your book John this was

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pointed out by one of the pair of cast

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listeners you never mentioned the

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National Reconnaissance Office the NRO

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and do you think that there's an agency

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there that or an office there that may

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be sitting on some pretty explosive

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information why was why was that why

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would they not mention not on their

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scope again the people that I'm talking

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to and you know they're reporting to are

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the ones who you know develop this

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architecture why would they tell you

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I'm back to the heads of agencies don't

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have neither did I do they get

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bamboozled I'll put that down in the

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approaching zero but the possibility

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well I'm glad gentlemen Stan okay okay

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so what do you think about this

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assertion that Chris just relayed that

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satellites deployed since 1999 are

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capable of detecting you

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I think it's certainly true

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unquestionably true I mean if you can

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read the license plate in the what do

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you call it the Russian parking lot at

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the their big building there you can

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spot UFOs and we've got to assume that

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these guys can't pick them up is

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ridiculous or that they're not there is

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ridiculous but the question would be yes

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we can see the license plates and I

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always people don't like when I mention

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movie references but there was a Will

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Smith movie out what 10 years ago enemy

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of the state where they followed him

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around Washington DC he couldn't breathe

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boy show you a bridge right so we can't

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do that in reality can we John the

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things they were describing and don't

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confuse Hollywood with reality there's

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two key issues and one that I think is

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formal I think you're totally missing

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the point can satellites pick up UFOs

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yes do they

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and more interesting to me are the ones

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in which you you know they were there

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and they didn't get victim you thinking

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of the monstrum kind of thing no wow

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that's one but Phoenix is you know kind

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of a classic example I disagree

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this particular source said that they

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tracked that object all the way from

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Henderson to Tucson that was also news

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to me I didn't know that I'll tell what

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will argue sources writer were coming

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out got a break will argue the sources

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in our next segment because it's gonna

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get hot and heavy with Jean and Chris

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parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

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believe me we have John Alexander we

567
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have Stanton Friedman the great debate

568
00:27:21,989 --> 00:27:19,779
about UFO secrecy we were listening to

569
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the power cast with Gene and Chris so

570
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John before we broke you were about to

571
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say some things about your viewpoints

572
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and you were about to express a point of

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view about what we care about what we

574
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see go on please yeah that there are so

575
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many of these sightings we have like

576
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physical sighting and yet you do not

577
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have the physical sightings that you

578
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should have why are they not showing up

579
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on the systems that we do how do you

580
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:02,769
know they're not showing up no because

581
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they don't tell anybody ask Spike

582
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Symington you know he tried to ask and

583
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he was the governor and responsible the

584
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other mythology about him I think

585
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,369
misinterpretation of the Phoenix lights

586
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is that it was a single sighting or a

587
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single event that happened on one night

588
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these things are happen multiple times

589
00:28:30,239 --> 00:28:27,220
and you had big things hovering over a

590
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major metropolitan areas that clearly

591
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weren't picked up okay so now I have

592
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really wondered here John okay this is

593
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:38,409
not being taken seriously by the

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government it sounds to me like a

595
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,480
tremendous amount of information is

596
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available here and obviously pretend

597
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something really unusual wouldn't they

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care

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is one of my key points and this is one

600
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ring they should read the book and

601
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specifically the chapter on how the

602
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government works terrible misconception

603
00:29:07,889 --> 00:29:04,809
there is no Department of good ideas

604
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:07,899
there is a gazillion things that ought

605
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to be studied and they aren't they just

606
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don't

607
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make pickup well John you're reassuring

608
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,870
us of that I'm not convinced at all

609
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because for example in your discussion

610
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:23,860
of the mj-12 documents and other things

611
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just as you said the you can get any of

612
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:28,880
these government documents if they only

613
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got one line per page that's not getting

614
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the information that's on the documents

615
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there would be a separate body at the

616
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center of the the big Western wheel if

617
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you will without a rim and you'd have

618
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spokes going down to the center

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providing information but it wouldn't be

620
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under the standard Army Navy Air Force

621
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etc that's where you get a separate body

622
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coming is always not always just one who

623
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are they not they can count about only

624
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to the president okay who I was which

625
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president well as presidents changed and

626
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it happened you know obviously the cost

627
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changes yes I was very disappointed in

628
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that there are a number of claims in the

629
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book when you you looked at my 1997

630
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:16,460
top-secret magic but you didn't look at

631
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:18,410
the two thousand five and three other

632
00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:21,850
sources of information which have rebut

633
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,980
against the three mj-12 documents I

634
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:25,760
agree

635
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:32,210
there's over 100 phony mj-12 doctor

636
00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:34,970
so what I I agree and I think they were

637
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:37,460
put out by various government entities

638
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:40,190
to muddy the waters would be a standard

639
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:42,860
thing to do good stuff gets out you put

640
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:45,710
out junk let's go back to mj-12 guys

641
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:48,020
okay because okay okay is we're kind of

642
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:50,030
going to chapter two before we start a

643
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:52,250
chapter one and there's a core argument

644
00:30:58,450 --> 00:30:55,400
here and the core argument being that we

645
00:31:01,060 --> 00:30:58,460
have various and sundry supposed mj-12

646
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:01,070
documents you accept a small portion of

647
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:03,770
them saying the rest three okay exactly

648
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,530
three but all the rest are fake

649
00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:08,480
maybe put up there put up jobs by

650
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:11,540
government disinformation agents so at

651
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:15,549
the very beginning john alexander mj-12

652
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:18,890
supposedly talking of this organization

653
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:23,300
that was charged with checking out ufos

654
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:25,610
probably roswell etc

655
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:27,320
what's your take on it you don't believe

656
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:28,610
it do you any of it

657
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:32,090
no I think there's a strong possibility

658
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:37,070
that mj-12 existed but the mission was

659
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:39,830
totally different and I think timewise

660
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:43,370
and mission wise totally consistent will

661
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,210
the makeup of the people and exactly the

662
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:49,330
way they would handle it as the

663
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:52,820
precursor to an organization that did

664
00:32:00,669 --> 00:31:55,990
evolve and was one of the most highly

665
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,679
classified projects in America for a

666
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:03,440
long period of time what kind of project

667
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:05,450
are we talking about Noah T of

668
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:08,150
government how do you survive a surprise

669
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:12,169
nuclear attack that's real you know one

670
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:14,750
of the things that you hear all of these

671
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:16,910
discussions about well the government

672
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:18,610
did this and the bad government did that

673
00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:23,150
and you know what's even at your age you

674
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:25,309
guys suspect you don't remember Duck and

675
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,400
Cover Stan and I are old enough to

676
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:30,640
remember when we were talking about

677
00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:34,429
literally national survival in the

678
00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:36,620
beginning of the Cold War that's what

679
00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:38,600
they were worried about national

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00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:42,140
survival supplies nuclear attack that

681
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:45,230
would take out the government or large

682
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:49,010
sections of it that drove everything and

683
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:52,370
it's just just today not even in the

684
00:32:58,330 --> 00:32:54,910
consciousness of people nor does it

685
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,340
explain why an awful lot of things that

686
00:33:01,299 --> 00:33:00,320
were done the radiation tests and things

687
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:01,309
of that nature

688
00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:04,010
I think that's beside the point John I

689
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:05,480
think if you look at the three

690
00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:07,340
documenting the three mj-12 documents

691
00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:11,900
that I talked about I have discussed in

692
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,059
the book I gave you the later edition

693
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:15,760
and remember of other things I have

694
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:18,740
discussed all the objections you don't

695
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:20,630
mention those I'm not surprisingly that

696
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:23,590
you were working from early stuff but

697
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:26,540
I've looked at those objections to those

698
00:33:31,870 --> 00:33:29,630
three documents and fine but that none

699
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,880
of them stand up whether it's fill class

700
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,120
challenging me on the typeface on the

701
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,820
Cutler twining memo and then paying me

702
00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:39,440
$1,000 for proving in

703
00:33:45,999 --> 00:33:43,460
wrong you know I I keep hearing the same

704
00:33:49,539 --> 00:33:46,009
objection let me give another one in the

705
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:49,549
document it says top secret restricted

706
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,330
and a UN cry went up that was never in

707
00:33:58,090 --> 00:33:55,519
use at that time and so forth and yet

708
00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:58,100
when the general the GAO went out

709
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:00,470
looking for Roswell stuff they noted in

710
00:34:06,009 --> 00:34:03,500
their big fat report that they had found

711
00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:06,019
several examples of top-secret

712
00:34:10,059 --> 00:34:08,149
restricted in the right time frame and

713
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:10,069
all the rest of that that's good enough

714
00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:11,929
for me I tried to get them and they were

715
00:34:16,569 --> 00:34:14,119
so classified so I couldn't get them but

716
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:16,579
if they said so in their government

717
00:34:22,089 --> 00:34:20,359
report how can I argue with that I there

718
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:22,099
are a whole bunch of others of these

719
00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:26,480
particular objections one was that it

720
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:29,389
says Admiral Hill encoder my goodness he

721
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:31,490
was only a Rear Admiral obviously the

722
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:33,950
documents are fraud well when you go to

723
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:36,440
the Eisenhower library you find many

724
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:40,399
examples of generic ranks I don't need

725
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,990
to tell you God you know about your

726
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:44,480
nearly friends but it does and when you

727
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:45,649
were a lieutenant colonel you could

728
00:34:49,569 --> 00:34:47,270
still answer the phone Colonel laughs

729
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:49,579
eccentric no this one else asks are you

730
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:53,839
a telephone Colonel or a real one well

731
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:56,419
put so that was one objection that was

732
00:35:03,490 --> 00:34:59,650
raised loudly there is no top-secret

733
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:03,500
number on these things and I got two

734
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:05,480
different archives to say we have plenty

735
00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:08,470
of top-secret documents without

736
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:12,140
top-secret control numbers on them but

737
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:13,310
there are a whole bunch of these

738
00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:15,740
objections which went carefully examined

739
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:18,740
do not stand up no matter how loud the

740
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,970
objector complained so it's one of the

741
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:25,280
reasons I started off one of the things

742
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,470
that bugged me the most was seeing

743
00:35:32,319 --> 00:35:30,410
Donald Menzel's name on that holy cow

744
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:32,329
that's the last thing we need here we

745
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:35,660
have Mr D bunker and he's part of you

746
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:37,369
know it made no sense after all

747
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,810
everybody else had a high-level security

748
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:41,359
clearance that was easy to find out as

749
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:43,910
I'm sure you're aware but you don't need

750
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:46,010
a top-level security clearance to teach

751
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,650
astronomy at Harvard so I had to get

752
00:35:52,990 --> 00:35:50,240
permission from three different people I

753
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:53,000
went to Harvard looked at his page

754
00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:54,950
purrs and was totally shocked because I

755
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,860
didn't like them and when I started I'd

756
00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:00,560
had one run-in with them which was not a

757
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:03,950
pleasant experience and here he is

758
00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:05,960
writing Jack Kennedy that had a longer

759
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:07,940
continuous association with the National

760
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,330
Security Agency thirty years as of 1960

761
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:13,520
of everybody in the country when we are

762
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:16,190
properly cleared to each other I can

763
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,270
tell you more

764
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:20,480
this is menzel to Kennedy that came as a

765
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:21,830
shock when I found out he had a

766
00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:25,820
clearance with the CIA when he was a

767
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:28,520
cryptographer taught cryptography a

768
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whole slew of stuff that nobody knew

769
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:33,020
certainly not me I'll tell you what

770
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,760
we're getting to Donald Menzel and maybe

771
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:37,040
even those Martian paintings he sold to

772
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:42,170
Jim Mosely inside okay but we got to

773
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tell you we have John Alexander Stanton

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Friedman joining us a great debate with

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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Stan Friedman John Alexander great

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debate about UFO secrecy with Gene and

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Chris and the Peres casts when we broke

873
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Stan was talking about the military

874
00:41:36,779 --> 00:41:32,979
intelligence background of dr. Donald

875
00:41:39,059 --> 00:41:36,789
Menzel the arch UFO skeptic no longer

876
00:41:42,029 --> 00:41:39,069
with us and I was mentioning before we

877
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:42,039
broke that he actually was also kind of

878
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a painter he drew Martians and other

879
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space people yes and that was why was

880
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hobbies of course fascinating hobby but

881
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:53,049
the mere point is a lot of people during

882
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World War two were recruited for

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intelligence activities actors actresses

884
00:42:04,979 --> 00:42:02,349
chefs a lot of people it doesn't mean

885
00:42:07,739 --> 00:42:04,989
because Donald Menzel was just another

886
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:07,749
patriotic American helping his country

887
00:42:12,149 --> 00:42:10,150
that he had anything to do with UFO

888
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:12,159
secrecy remember he was a commander in

889
00:42:17,999 --> 00:42:14,169
the Navy and he headed naval reserve

890
00:42:20,339 --> 00:42:18,009
unit number one in Cambridge long after

891
00:42:22,819 --> 00:42:20,349
the war so he's talking to Jack Kennedy

892
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:22,829
in 1960 about all his activities

893
00:42:27,509 --> 00:42:25,630
post-war it's interesting there are two

894
00:42:29,549 --> 00:42:27,519
issues of sky and telescopes that were

895
00:42:30,989 --> 00:42:29,559
devoted to men the one when he died in

896
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:30,999
the hundredth anniversary of his birth

897
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,880
neither of the mentions all this very

898
00:42:39,209 --> 00:42:36,400
important highly classified work that he

899
00:42:41,789 --> 00:42:39,219
did in the government long after the war

900
00:42:42,959 --> 00:42:41,799
was over not a mention they mention he

901
00:42:45,089 --> 00:42:42,969
was a commander in the Navy during the

902
00:42:47,429 --> 00:42:45,099
war that's it but you know he did work

903
00:42:50,609 --> 00:42:47,439
for the CIA he didn't work for the FBI

904
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:50,619
he was and I asked somebody who knew him

905
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:53,890
quite well another astronomer I said how

906
00:42:58,289 --> 00:42:55,689
does it strike you you know demand very

907
00:43:00,599 --> 00:42:58,299
well could he have known all about

908
00:43:02,789 --> 00:43:00,609
Roswell and crash saucers and everything

909
00:43:05,189 --> 00:43:02,799
else and still write these negative

910
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:05,199
books his debunking books his answer

911
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:08,380
surprised he would have loved it oh yeah

912
00:43:12,539 --> 00:43:09,729
you know he was smarter than everybody

913
00:43:14,699 --> 00:43:12,549
else and so he would get a great kick

914
00:43:16,049 --> 00:43:14,709
out of that which was a surprising

915
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:16,059
answer to me

916
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:17,890
when running with them I can't say hi no

917
00:43:24,479 --> 00:43:20,920
Menzel at all but I certainly found out

918
00:43:26,459 --> 00:43:24,489
much about him to my surprise there was

919
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:26,469
a loyalty hearing as a matter of fact

920
00:43:29,969 --> 00:43:28,029
that didn't make it into the New York

921
00:43:32,609 --> 00:43:29,979
Times and in Washington Post he was

922
00:43:35,219 --> 00:43:32,619
accused of being disloyal this is 1950

923
00:43:36,959 --> 00:43:35,229
McCarthy yura stuff you know because he

924
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:36,969
brought in a pair of stockings to give

925
00:43:41,489 --> 00:43:38,680
to a Russian astronomer to take to his

926
00:43:43,799 --> 00:43:41,499
wife he said good things that a Russian

927
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:43,809
American Friendship dinner in 1942 when

928
00:43:47,609 --> 00:43:45,249
everybody was saying good things about

929
00:43:49,769 --> 00:43:47,619
the Russian Harlow Shapley his boss at

930
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:49,779
Harvard was thought of as a pinko so

931
00:43:55,229 --> 00:43:52,689
obviously mental might be now this funny

932
00:43:58,529 --> 00:43:55,239
thing is the strongest defender was

933
00:44:00,479 --> 00:43:58,539
Vannevar Bush who was a member of mj-12

934
00:44:03,179 --> 00:44:00,489
and head of the office of scientific

935
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:03,189
research and development and Roosevelt's

936
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:05,349
I'll call him science advisor that

937
00:44:09,539 --> 00:44:07,209
technically he didn't have a title like

938
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:09,549
that but it was the guy the go-to guy

939
00:44:13,529 --> 00:44:11,529
for Roosevelt and he did a number of

940
00:44:15,029 --> 00:44:13,539
things for Truman as well and

941
00:44:17,549 --> 00:44:15,039
incidentally John in the book you say

942
00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:17,559
Bush was a director of Central

943
00:44:23,279 --> 00:44:20,349
Intelligence he wasn't also you say that

944
00:44:25,289 --> 00:44:23,289
people were given permission to real

945
00:44:27,209 --> 00:44:25,299
their Roswell data if they thought it

946
00:44:30,359 --> 00:44:27,219
was classified by Air Force secretary

947
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:30,369
sheila widnall right that's not true if

948
00:44:35,969 --> 00:44:33,249
you look at her letter if you okay

949
00:44:37,949 --> 00:44:35,979
excuse me Stan Jon deserves a chance to

950
00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:37,959
respond whether you agree with him or

951
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:44,140
not John archives.gov /fo IA / ufos this

952
00:44:48,989 --> 00:44:46,660
morning and I quote prior to the

953
00:44:51,299 --> 00:44:48,999
interviews secretary wouldn't all

954
00:44:53,759 --> 00:44:51,309
release those persons from any previous

955
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:53,769
obligations that may have restricted

956
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:56,410
their statements that's today I've seen

957
00:45:01,099 --> 00:44:58,569
the letter and the one that I've seen

958
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:01,109
our hope is not the real letter

959
00:45:07,289 --> 00:45:03,849
misspellings and whatnot I don't see any

960
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:07,299
inconsistency between you can talk to my

961
00:45:13,229 --> 00:45:10,569
guys if you you know who have security

962
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:13,239
clearances and you're released no that's

963
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:15,880
not what she said her direct instruction

964
00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:18,670
was you can talk to Colonel Weaver

965
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:21,640
period and the report because he has

966
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:25,630
access to everything which makes sense

967
00:45:29,790 --> 00:45:28,150
but that doesn't mean you could accept a

968
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:29,800
no the interviews

969
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:32,980
he did knew the interview the interviews

970
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:35,230
were done by captains and other folks

971
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,440
the point in what she's saying and this

972
00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:40,720
is probably our difference in

973
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:43,600
interpretation is she's saying you know

974
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:45,010
here's a guy where the tickets don't

975
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:46,210
worry about it

976
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:48,910
he's cleared to do it now actually if

977
00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:51,130
you had that level stuff you could not

978
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:53,860
discuss it anywhere because you did not

979
00:45:59,310 --> 00:45:56,920
have access to the right facilities in

980
00:46:01,020 --> 00:45:59,320
which classification you know

981
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:01,030
discussions at that level could occur

982
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:03,730
but you know this was just frankly

983
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:06,580
covering their ass it's um it's out

984
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:09,670
there it makes perfect sense and like I

985
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:12,220
said the statement I'm on the National

986
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:14,650
Archives and maybe I oughta call Sheila

987
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:20,530
she's at MIT and the letter is a fake no

988
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:23,710
I'm saying it just it's say if you

989
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:26,770
understand the protocols that's exactly

990
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:28,120
the way you would say it

991
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:30,280
yeah there's no evidence that anybody

992
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:33,130
said oops I've got a secret and then

993
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:36,850
revealed it you're saying she told them

994
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:40,240
via a letter not personally these

995
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:42,850
Boswell witnesses that they could talk

996
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:45,130
about anything because they were

997
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:47,380
released from their security oath its

998
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:49,750
regard to Roswell's related stuff and

999
00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:52,660
I'm saying that was only that they could

1000
00:46:58,350 --> 00:46:55,270
talk to Colonel Weaver yes a big

1001
00:46:59,940 --> 00:46:58,360
difference no I do not see it as a big

1002
00:47:02,850 --> 00:46:59,950
difference you're making it a big

1003
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:02,860
difference I see it in the noise because

1004
00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:05,530
this is exactly how a bureaucrat would

1005
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:06,280
handle it

1006
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:07,990
you've got to have somebody and you're

1007
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:10,390
saying here is a guy who has the

1008
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:12,340
appropriate clearances so don't worry

1009
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:14,830
about whatever it is that you might want

1010
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:17,140
to say because you were secure it's a

1011
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:19,420
little now let me be clear on one thing

1012
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:22,450
though I do think that the government

1013
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:24,970
was very heavy-handed in the way that

1014
00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:27,690
they handled this to begin with I

1015
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:31,120
strongly suspect a lot of folks were in

1016
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:33,310
fact threatened in ways that you would

1017
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:36,820
probably never do today but again when I

1018
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:40,180
was introduced all those interviews you

1019
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:42,850
know when you hear the reports start was

1020
00:47:47,790 --> 00:47:45,850
it was a different time yes but John

1021
00:47:49,890 --> 00:47:47,800
wouldn't you if you're being threatened

1022
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:49,900
wouldn't you assume somebody wants to

1023
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:52,300
keep this information from getting into

1024
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,840
the public arena yeah exactly

1025
00:48:03,390 --> 00:47:58,960
okay so doesn't that imply a level of

1026
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:03,400
UFO secrecy no no it doesn't it says I

1027
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:06,540
don't want this information discussed

1028
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:11,230
okay so therefore I've discussed you

1029
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:13,000
want to keep it a secret you don't want

1030
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:17,440
it to be revealed it could make it any

1031
00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:20,740
data okay right you know the point is

1032
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:22,060
here it doesn't matter if it's about

1033
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:26,110
UFOs about Swiss cheese or buying toilet

1034
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:29,620
bowls for 12,000 dollars each if you

1035
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:31,420
decide to keep it a secret it's a secret

1036
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:35,230
if there's no secrecy about UFOs why

1037
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:38,590
classify anything top secret because it

1038
00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:40,660
wasn't oh wait a minute

1039
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:43,840
why cause you got to go back it was a

1040
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:46,630
different time the time frame that we're

1041
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:48,520
talking about is the beginning of the

1042
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:52,360
Cold War a notion that's inconceivable

1043
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:56,140
to modern Americans we were talking

1044
00:49:01,460 --> 00:48:59,050
about national survival you saw things

1045
00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:01,470
flying around that we couldn't explain

1046
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:04,780
scared the crap out of everybody now the

1047
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:07,210
basic assumption was not oh my god

1048
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:09,490
they're aliens from you know someplace

1049
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:11,710
all they did eventually get to that it

1050
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,640
was my god the Soviets you know our arch

1051
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:18,000
enemies who are out here to destroy us

1052
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:21,640
have a technological leap we will do

1053
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:24,310
anything you know to prevent that from

1054
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:26,710
happening therefore you keep it a secret

1055
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:28,930
while you investigate the file what's

1056
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:33,190
going on that's okay so it follows then

1057
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:36,280
that if you're saying now there is no

1058
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:39,490
more secret that they either decided

1059
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:43,510
that there was no mystery to it or that

1060
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:45,070
it didn't represent a threat but if

1061
00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:46,930
you've got something there that does

1062
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:50,740
what UFOs do that flies at incredible

1063
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:52,750
speeds you track them on radar you can't

1064
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:54,910
figure out what they are how could the

1065
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:56,290
government say they

1066
00:50:04,500 --> 00:49:59,400
don't represent a threat model threat

1067
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:04,510
Condon was right behind imagine it was

1068
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:07,120
is it as a threat he was right in long

1069
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:09,460
but isn't a threat the answer is no

1070
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:12,520
haven't been invaded I'd say 50 years

1071
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:16,240
he's right now you're not telling me

1072
00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:17,770
that you don't think we wanted to know

1073
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:20,080
the technology nowhere in the book do

1074
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:22,450
you go into the fact that my primary

1075
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:25,480
reason for government secret as I see it

1076
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:28,060
not being a member of the government it

1077
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:30,130
is the first reason is we want to figure

1078
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:31,510
out how the damn things work

1079
00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:34,690
we've got wreckage we don't want anybody

1080
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:38,560
else no that's that's where we just have

1081
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:40,750
to agree to disagree don't think we have

1082
00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:42,670
wreckage there are a large number of

1083
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:47,470
people who do that here - also John that

1084
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:50,770
if we did have access to this type of

1085
00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:54,160
crash debris and exalted you know exotic

1086
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:56,500
technology you would think that some of

1087
00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:58,090
this would have leaked out by now and

1088
00:51:00,780 --> 00:50:59,350
that gets into the whole course so

1089
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:00,790
question and other things that we're

1090
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:02,590
gonna talk about a little later but but

1091
00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:04,930
Stan here's a question for you if we

1092
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,150
have had all this time to back engineer

1093
00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:10,480
this technology we have we have a lot of

1094
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:13,120
bright people a lot of bright scientists

1095
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:15,070
that have been working at this going on

1096
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:16,360
this assumption they've been working on

1097
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:19,750
this for a long time what evidence do we

1098
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:21,340
have that they have been able to

1099
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:24,040
ascertain any sort of information and if

1100
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:25,990
they haven't wouldn't that suggest that

1101
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:27,850
maybe John's right that there is no

1102
00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:31,150
crash debris no I'll tell you the rest

1103
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:33,640
that stamp we can answer in a moment

1104
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:36,730
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1105
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1124
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1125
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investment advisors won't talk about

1126
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1986 yet the financial industry won't

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attire meant gold has outperformed paper

1130
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investments yet no word about IRAs if

1131
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1132
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1133
00:53:04,420 --> 00:52:59,599
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1134
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:04,430
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1135
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:12,420
here's Jane Steinberg we're talking with

1136
00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:16,609
John Alexander and Stanton Friedman both

1137
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:19,590
accomplished authors writing about UFOs

1138
00:53:25,339 --> 00:53:22,050
with different viewpoints about whether

1139
00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:25,349
there is or isn't UFO secrecy you're

1140
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:27,270
with Jean and Chris on the para cast

1141
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:29,490
Chris asked you a question

1142
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:33,240
Stan before we did the break yeah about

1143
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:35,960
have you learn anything from alleged

1144
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,680
recovery of those crash spaceships so

1145
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,240
what do you think well we've learned

1146
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:45,359
several things clearly that aliens

1147
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,590
aren't perfect as well all right let's

1148
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:51,780
face it if you gave Christopher Columbus

1149
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:55,140
a nuclear submarine and said Chris

1150
00:54:00,079 --> 00:53:57,210
you've got an unlimited budget I need

1151
00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:00,089
three more of these could he have of

1152
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:02,580
course not you gave the smartest people

1153
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:04,320
in the country my little cheap

1154
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:07,530
wristwatch a digital wristwatch say 80

1155
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,830
years ago and ask them you know to give

1156
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:12,300
you a bunch more they couldn't have done

1157
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:13,859
it well they'd have known it was a watch

1158
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:15,780
you know and there's a battery inside

1159
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,010
stuff like that

1160
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:19,440
but they couldn't have analyzed the chip

1161
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:21,390
and even if they could they couldn't

1162
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:23,130
have built another one but let me give

1163
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:24,599
you an example of the kind of thing that

1164
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:26,910
we may have learned I used to do a

1165
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,310
weekly science commentary for CBC Radio

1166
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:31,040
appearing Fredericton New Brunswick

1167
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:33,210
covered all kinds of subjects

1168
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:35,369
occasionally including UFOs and I had

1169
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,410
just read an article about a new and

1170
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:40,400
better permanent magnet material

1171
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:44,430
neodymium boron iron and current

1172
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:45,960
companies were working on it and stuff

1173
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:49,619
and I used to use this as an example

1174
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:52,380
until I saw something that changed my

1175
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:55,170
mind about it you find pieces of

1176
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:57,240
wreckage you send them van Busche would

1177
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,710
know where all the good labs in the

1178
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:00,480
country were because he knew that from

1179
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,930
all the war stuff for the OSRD the smart

1180
00:55:08,579 --> 00:55:06,300
guys had classified labs that is people

1181
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:08,589
with clearance inside classified wires

1182
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,420
he'd have sent pieces out and said what

1183
00:55:14,009 --> 00:55:12,400
is this didn't have to tell him where it

1184
00:55:16,049 --> 00:55:14,019
came from it was none of their business

1185
00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:16,059
it could be from a spy it could be from

1186
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,459
Russia could be old German whatever and

1187
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:19,839
the guy comes back and says you know I

1188
00:55:23,969 --> 00:55:21,369
don't know where you got this but it's a

1189
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:23,979
combination of samarium and cobalt why

1190
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:26,049
would anybody put those together not

1191
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:27,640
your problem you send it out to other

1192
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:31,079
people what are the characteristics

1193
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:34,150
electrical magnetic mechanical nuclear

1194
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,609
thermal whatever and the guy comes back

1195
00:55:39,539 --> 00:55:37,839
and says you know I don't know what this

1196
00:55:41,459 --> 00:55:39,549
stuff is or where you got it but it's

1197
00:55:43,739 --> 00:55:41,469
got the highest magnetic moment of any

1198
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:43,749
material I've ever measured make a great

1199
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:46,150
permanent magnet and pretty soon people

1200
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:48,329
are making samarium-cobalt magnets

1201
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:50,650
that's what they used in the big

1202
00:55:54,329 --> 00:55:52,420
speakers you know in ghetto blasters

1203
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,339
kind of thing I was the breakthrough I

1204
00:55:59,519 --> 00:55:56,079
was reading an article about the new

1205
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,529
developments neodymium-iron-boron and at

1206
00:56:04,049 --> 00:56:01,359
the end of the article the original work

1207
00:56:07,259 --> 00:56:04,059
on samarium-cobalt was done at right air

1208
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:07,269
development center and i just broke into

1209
00:56:11,819 --> 00:56:09,369
laughters that was at wright-patterson

1210
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:11,829
Air Force right but one thing stand why

1211
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:14,529
do we assume that because something is

1212
00:56:18,989 --> 00:56:16,809
advanced an advanced development why

1213
00:56:21,269 --> 00:56:18,999
assume that maybe we got that

1214
00:56:23,969 --> 00:56:21,279
information from taking apart a flying

1215
00:56:27,529 --> 00:56:23,979
saucer why can't we do it ourselves I'm

1216
00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:27,539
not because I think we're so young

1217
00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:29,319
technologically speaking we didn't

1218
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:32,619
discover the neutron until 1932 for

1219
00:56:36,089 --> 00:56:33,729
goodness sakes

1220
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:36,099
I didn't very long ago when you got four

1221
00:56:40,349 --> 00:56:37,660
and a half billion years to play with

1222
00:56:43,259 --> 00:56:40,359
you know we're naive we're young we're

1223
00:56:44,699 --> 00:56:43,269
just beginning to you know feel our oats

1224
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:44,709
a little bit and is going to be new

1225
00:56:51,059 --> 00:56:48,400
technology all over the place and I mean

1226
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:51,069
in all different areas but there are

1227
00:56:54,709 --> 00:56:51,849
other things

1228
00:56:58,919 --> 00:56:54,719
wright-patterson ran Windtunnel tests on

1229
00:57:01,679 --> 00:56:58,929
round craft in late 1947 there's a

1230
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:01,689
picture in my book of flying saucers in

1231
00:57:07,049 --> 00:57:03,849
science of me standing next to an Apollo

1232
00:57:13,169 --> 00:57:07,059
12 command module it's a round blunt

1233
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,179
body stand your craft stands that have

1234
00:57:18,959 --> 00:57:15,880
pointy nose interests and please I think

1235
00:57:20,999 --> 00:57:18,969
maybe you're belittling our capability

1236
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:21,009
of inventing these things I mean we have

1237
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,690
to

1238
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:23,760
look for example the technology that we

1239
00:57:28,850 --> 00:57:26,220
got from the Nazis about the fact that

1240
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:28,860
we hired a lot of those Nazi scientists

1241
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,770
to help start our space program John

1242
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:34,140
Alexander having listened to this give

1243
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,570
John a fair chance here John having

1244
00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:38,960
listened to this what do you think about

1245
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,150
alien technology do we have it are we

1246
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:44,520
reverse engineering it if we do that

1247
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:47,100
would indicate the presence of some kind

1248
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:50,700
of secrecy program well pointed out in

1249
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,860
the book that if we believe all these

1250
00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:55,440
crashes that have happened and what ETS

1251
00:58:00,350 --> 00:57:58,110
is a quality control problem and it's

1252
00:58:02,090 --> 00:58:00,360
more it would have to be more than you

1253
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:02,100
know just Roswell it depends on how many

1254
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:06,720
lists will be out very shortly I'm sorry

1255
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:10,050
the wizard on Aztec there Scott Lansing

1256
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:12,600
his wife Susanna prepared an outstanding

1257
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,920
book I've read it but it's not out he's

1258
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:21,780
just not very smart they can go a

1259
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:26,030
gazillion miles and then they fall down

1260
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:30,570
we got small airplanes the big vehicles

1261
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:32,420
don't crash the little ones do

1262
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:34,530
occasionally maybe with a little help

1263
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:38,220
from us yeah plenty airplane crash you

1264
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:40,530
know we've had B twos and B ones go down

1265
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:44,700
in some wild sea for 0:17 so yeah big

1266
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:49,170
things do crash on occasion merely by

1267
00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:51,690
comparison to the smaller ones yeah but

1268
00:58:56,570 --> 00:58:54,420
that's probably a plaited our issue and

1269
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:56,580
again an awful lot of that goes back to

1270
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,940
pilot error etc you know Roswell wobbles

1271
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:01,380
of course been a problem because of

1272
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:04,380
location if you look at where it is and

1273
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:06,390
what's going on and what you'd be doing

1274
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:09,390
at that time yeah you'd be involved in

1275
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:12,870
high-tech kinds of the development

1276
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:15,510
you're a decade from going into the

1277
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,220
space or you're doing enabling

1278
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:20,400
technologies basic science and there and

1279
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:24,090
there that area it not Roswell mmm

1280
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:26,250
Roswell Wizards for teaching air command

1281
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,720
base right down the road and whites

1282
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:29,760
excuse me it's right across the field

1283
00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:32,330
from Wisma I mean they're the same

1284
00:59:36,430 --> 00:59:34,460
general area

1285
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,440
White Sands Missile Range is there and I

1286
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,480
point out to anybody who'll listen that

1287
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,599
in 1947 there were three signs that soon

1288
00:59:45,099 --> 00:59:43,520
Earthlings would be moving out soon

1289
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:45,109
meaning a hundred years which is nothing

1290
00:59:51,309 --> 00:59:48,529
on a cosmic thank you one one was the v2

1291
00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:51,319
rockets one was nuclear weapons and one

1292
00:59:55,269 --> 00:59:53,150
was high-quality radar which just

1293
00:59:58,059 --> 00:59:55,279
started just before the war the only

1294
00:59:59,380 --> 00:59:58,069
place in the world in July 1947 where it

1295
01:00:01,930 --> 00:59:59,390
could study all three of those with

1296
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,940
southeastern New Mexico Trinity site

1297
01:00:05,799 --> 01:00:03,920
White Sands Missile Range they had the

1298
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:05,809
radar because we hate to admit it the

1299
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:07,670
rocket sometimes went south instead of

1300
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:12,319
north for a long time we couldn't get

1301
01:00:22,510 --> 01:00:16,990
them to go up what you mean that little

1302
01:00:25,329 --> 01:00:22,520
Vanguard like science yes this is long

1303
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:25,339
before Vanguard you understand years we

1304
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:29,210
port what ten years before Vanguard yeah

1305
01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:29,930
that was

1306
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:33,020
we didn't our Germans were better than

1307
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:35,569
the Russian Germans except that's what

1308
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:37,730
we said after we finally caught up a

1309
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:41,210
little we hope we got a good selection

1310
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:44,150
of scientists but then that comes to

1311
01:00:49,569 --> 01:00:46,670
this - how come though scientists in

1312
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,579
Germany could figure all this out and we

1313
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:51,680
had problems why would they better than

1314
01:00:56,019 --> 01:00:54,950
us because they had a crazed dictator

1315
01:00:58,599 --> 01:00:56,029
running the country

1316
01:01:01,569 --> 01:00:58,609
did they have alien technology what's it

1317
01:01:03,849 --> 01:01:01,579
take so they had lots of people who were

1318
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:03,859
very smart working on rockets before the

1319
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,170
war they paid more attention to Goddard

1320
01:01:10,690 --> 01:01:08,480
the Russians paid more attention to

1321
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:10,700
Goddard who incidentally wound up doing

1322
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,130
his last tests in Roswell of all places

1323
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:15,440
is a Goddard high school and I got her

1324
01:01:19,779 --> 01:01:18,140
Museum and so forth they paid more

1325
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:19,789
attention to Goddard than the American

1326
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:23,119
government did yeah it's a very sad part

1327
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:25,130
of our history that we ignored what he

1328
01:01:31,809 --> 01:01:28,670
did and we paid a price for it with the

1329
01:01:34,539 --> 01:01:31,819
v2 s and so forth well I'll take another

1330
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,549
step on that too and that has to do and

1331
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,319
this will my pet peeves at the moment

1332
01:01:40,990 --> 01:01:38,480
and that is the American educational

1333
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,000
system and if you look at how we went

1334
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:44,720
about education versus what German was

1335
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:52,060
yeah we're in agreement right I think

1336
01:01:57,790 --> 01:01:54,890
it's a crying shame our American

1337
01:02:01,240 --> 01:01:57,800
educational system and especially when

1338
01:02:03,250 --> 01:02:01,250
it comes to technology and you know

1339
01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:03,260
there's no question that's why we need

1340
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,000
it determines and the reference nature

1341
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:10,400
it you know one of the classic examples

1342
01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:14,410
of media coverage of unconventional

1343
01:02:21,010 --> 01:02:17,869
subjects his Godard wrote a paper in

1344
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:21,020
1919 in which he mentioned there Lee the

1345
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:24,050
possibility of rockets going in space as

1346
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:26,300
opposed to in the atmosphere the New

1347
01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:29,839
York Times wrote a scathing review but

1348
01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:31,580
the good doctor doesn't know what any

1349
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:34,520
high school student knows that a rocket

1350
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on the wall except we have to snap the

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whip and crack it a few times with John

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Alexander and Stanton Friedman talking

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about scientific discoveries the ability

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to get into space all these advanced

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technologies if we get them from alien

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visitors going over the craft that may

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have crashed in Roswell

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we have a question from one of our para

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cast forum members the dovetails nicely

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with the subject blowfish asks is it

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plausible that the Nazi scientist may

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have developed some aspect of

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anti-gravity technology as suggested by

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researcher Nick cook who was a aerospace

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invested investigator for Jane's Defence

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weekly for years he's saying could could

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dad have been brought over in in

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paperclip will give the stand and ask

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John well I don't think so I think that

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Nick didn't know the difference between

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pretty drawings made by people trying to

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sell ideas and pictures of real items I

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worked on projects where you'd think we

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had developed all kinds of stuff so it

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said in our proposal of course but these

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were artist concepts they were not the

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real world and let me finish that one

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01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:47,550
comment about Goddard in 1919 he writes

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of paper the New York Times gives him a

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very hard time for it in 1969 as we were

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on the way to the moon in July of 1969

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the New York Times published a correct

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Goddard was right Rockets will work in a

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back to 1916 oh no I don't think the

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Germans developed you know anti-gravity

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and time travel what's another good one

1511
01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:19,060
noon there are a couple of other of

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01:09:24,539 --> 01:09:21,880
these far-out notions and I'm certainly

1513
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:24,549
it's not saying that we have developed

1514
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all new kinds of new technology because

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01:09:31,229 --> 01:09:29,259
we've recovered crashed saucers you know

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01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,239
just as Columbus couldn't have built a

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01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:33,520
nuclear submarine I think we may have

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:36,369
learned a lot of ideas around blunt

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01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:39,250
bodies will work at high speed a number

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:41,580
of other thoughts like that but I think

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01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:44,290
it takes an awful lot of subtlety to

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01:09:48,269 --> 01:09:46,089
figure out technology that's way

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01:09:51,919 --> 01:09:48,279
advanced over where you are and I don't

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01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:51,929
think we've done that yet the question

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01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,150
that was asked is I think there's an

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:09:57,520
easy way to determine that that's not

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01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:04,210
true and that is we won baby speaking

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01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:12,670
German so I wouldn't be speaking John a

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01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:16,360
problem associated with it no I agree

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01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:18,820
with you though if the Germans did this

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:21,369
like this explanation what's her name

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01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:24,130
Jacobson Annie Jacobson oh Jesus

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01:10:29,339 --> 01:10:26,860
you know their circle like that but if

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01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,349
they had worked this all out why didn't

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01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:32,080
they use it during the war I mean you

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01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:35,230
develop weapon systems to use them you

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01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:36,820
and I are probably fully in agreement

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01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:40,710
about Jacobs oh absolutely that's

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unbelievable

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it's got a favourable review in the New

1541
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York Times my book didn't get any review

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01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:51,099
in the yard time I was just going to say

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that tells you more about the publishing

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01:10:58,290 --> 01:10:55,650
business and you know they had a

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publicity juggernaut that was going

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01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:00,250
you'll also know that fell off the clip

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01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:03,369
very quickly as I'm the realist in the

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show and and the bad news is that

1549
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:08,440
there's really some very interesting

1550
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,530
part I know the Roadrunners and they

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thought their book was going to finally

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come out and tell their story

1553
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:17,910
deserve to be told and unfortunately all

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the oxygen got sucked up around

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01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:22,830
ridiculousness yeah that'll be an

1556
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:25,140
interesting story in somebody's thesis a

1557
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:28,890
few years from now PhD theses about

1558
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:31,410
press coverage and of UFOs and had some

1559
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:33,810
very wrong things to say about how

1560
01:11:39,070 --> 01:11:36,960
inadequate work well this is one where

1561
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:39,080
George napped is kicking his butt

1562
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,330
because he knew all of these people from

1563
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:44,100
the Roadrunners had been interviewing

1564
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:47,520
them for a long time and oh it should

1565
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:50,820
have been his book yeah okay I got you

1566
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:54,320
better him than Danny that's for sure

1567
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,930
well well since we're on the subject of

1568
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back-engineering

1569
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:01,920
so-called alien technology sentry one of

1570
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,230
our forum posters has a question here

1571
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:06,960
for John I understand that dr. Alexander

1572
01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:08,910
met Colonel Corso before his Roswell

1573
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:11,550
book was published but apparently only

1574
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:13,560
voiced your concerns over its details

1575
01:12:18,140 --> 01:12:16,380
after it saw print also considering the

1576
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:18,150
books problems I'd like to hear why dr.

1577
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:19,860
Alexander helped Colonel Corso and the

1578
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:22,410
promotion of the book well so was a

1579
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:22,980
friend

1580
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:25,380
we had great concern and helped in

1581
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:29,700
promotion I did I guess get on coast to

1582
01:12:34,090 --> 01:12:31,500
coast if you listen carefully to my

1583
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,100
statements it's not one that's endorsing

1584
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:37,560
the content and we did know him before

1585
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:39,900
again see George Knapp was supposed to

1586
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,690
have been the co-author on the book and

1587
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,640
that's how we met him originally we had

1588
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:47,760
gone through various things in detail I

1589
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:52,230
had seen the manuscript again before it

1590
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:54,690
was printed and as most people now know

1591
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,030
there were really the manuscript is

1592
01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:59,760
submitted was quite different from what

1593
01:13:07,330 --> 01:13:02,280
was present up front the whole nonsense

1594
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:07,340
about Roswell is not in his original

1595
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:11,430
script now it's just as we look at it in

1596
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:14,100
detail and it you know

1597
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:16,290
the technologies have long

1598
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:18,780
well-established track records you don't

1599
01:13:26,210 --> 01:13:21,450
see any big leaps anyplace along the

1600
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:26,220
line let me give me an example he took

1601
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:28,650
credit for micro integrated circuit

1602
01:13:35,210 --> 01:13:30,420
when in fact a guy got a Nobel Prize for

1603
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:35,220
work that was done two years earlier you

1604
01:13:39,230 --> 01:13:36,930
know and there are no references in the

1605
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:39,240
book that tell you any of the linkages

1606
01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:42,090
where did that come from you know it

1607
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:43,350
just isn't there

1608
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:46,800
I met Corso but afterwards not not like

1609
01:13:53,210 --> 01:13:51,000
you beforehand and every time I checked

1610
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:53,220
you know there was nothing to back up

1611
01:13:58,220 --> 01:13:55,590
what he was saying do you think course I

1612
01:14:01,190 --> 01:13:58,230
made it all up Stan or is this something

1613
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:01,200
that we saw manipulated in the editing

1614
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:03,810
process that the final book became

1615
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:06,270
something far different he was he was a

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01:14:13,220 --> 01:14:10,680
wannabe who won to leave a legacy let me

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01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:13,230
give you an example he claimed in a

1618
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:15,150
sworn statement to attorney Peter

1619
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,090
Gersten that he Corso had been a member

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01:14:22,340 --> 01:14:20,760
of the National Security Council that

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01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:22,350
would have been Ike's in the National

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01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:24,840
Security Council well I checked with the

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01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:26,820
Eisenhower library but that's the

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01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:29,490
highest level of advice to the president

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01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:30,540
you understand

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01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:34,140
and he was not only never a member but

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:35,970
he never attended a meeting they keep

1628
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:38,010
close track on this kind of stuff at the

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01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:40,170
Eisenhower library and they sent me a

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01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,460
letter to that effect

1631
01:14:46,730 --> 01:14:44,040
so I sent a copy of that to Peter

1632
01:14:49,340 --> 01:14:46,740
Gersten and he showed it to Corso don't

1633
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:49,350
you think we ought to take that out no

1634
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:51,450
that's a strange answer you're going

1635
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,610
after the government supposedly to get

1636
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:55,440
the full story on your background and

1637
01:15:02,140 --> 01:14:56,460
you're going to leave in something that

1638
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:02,150
they can anybody can show is false so

1639
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,410
there were some other things when we

1640
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:06,360
first learned her and I spent a week in

1641
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:09,270
Washington checking out his history and

1642
01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:11,400
a lot of it was he was where he said he

1643
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:14,790
was but you know it's a big buck for

1644
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:17,910
instance the creation of the foreign

1645
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,060
technology division did happen there is

1646
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:23,280
an organizational chart there is a phone

1647
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:26,910
book and the name is not Corso okay

1648
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:29,100
let's get into that and maybe how he

1649
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:31,410
embellished his background in our next

1650
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:33,570
segment with John Alexander and Stanton

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01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:35,970
Friedman with Jean and Chris you're in

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:36,790
the pair

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cast the GC and radio network providing

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C and great talk radio starts here Ray

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Perkins a reclusive veteran burned out

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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

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01:20:02,970 --> 01:19:59,739
hear stuff here that you probably won't

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hear anywhere else hear that George

1763
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:06,219
snoring John Alexander and Stanton

1764
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:08,290
Friedman the great debate over whether

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01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:12,070
there is real UFO secrecy with gene and

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01:20:17,129 --> 01:20:14,590
Chris and the power cast now you were

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01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,139
telling us here John that the

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implication I'm receiving from what

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01:20:25,109 --> 01:20:22,360
you're telling me is that Corso

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01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:25,119
deliberately embellished his credentials

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01:20:33,629 --> 01:20:28,920
design accidents not misprint deliberate

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01:20:39,209 --> 01:20:33,639
deliberately you know implies motive and

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01:20:41,609 --> 01:20:39,219
whatnot people flop okay people bios the

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01:20:44,819 --> 01:20:41,619
for instance one of the books was going

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:44,829
to be the day after rome and if you

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01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:46,810
listen to fills you would have thought

1777
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:49,630
he was the mayor of rome when you go in

1778
01:20:55,919 --> 01:20:53,199
and read those reports he did some

1779
01:20:58,979 --> 01:20:55,929
excellent work but it was excellent work

1780
01:21:00,899 --> 01:20:58,989
that a captain would do not the stuff of

1781
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:00,909
the major through a lieutenant general

1782
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,760
now that's a big question here okay the

1783
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:06,250
end of his life we see Corso making up

1784
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:07,690
tall tales and maybe some were

1785
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:09,489
embellished in the editing of his book

1786
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:12,760
the day after Roswell whatever does he

1787
01:21:17,010 --> 01:21:14,650
have a history of being that kind of guy

1788
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,020
is this the way his history was in the

1789
01:21:21,629 --> 01:21:19,360
military or is it something that he did

1790
01:21:25,069 --> 01:21:21,639
towards the end of his life to leave as

1791
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:25,079
they say the legacy John don't know I

1792
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:29,409
did talk to people who did know him one

1793
01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:32,230
of the things that emerges is his

1794
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:34,360
relationship with the general Trudeau

1795
01:21:41,490 --> 01:21:38,320
and Trudeau was absolutely legendary in

1796
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:41,500
the military so much so that in the 80s

1797
01:21:48,569 --> 01:21:45,840
they decided to do a an oral history of

1798
01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:48,579
selected generals and Trudeau was one of

1799
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:50,500
them and they did do things like project

1800
01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:54,159
horizon which was really preparing to

1801
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:55,750
fight from the moon I mean they were

1802
01:22:01,919 --> 01:21:58,810
thinking that far ahead and there's no

1803
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:01,929
doubt that Trudeau and Corso had a very

1804
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:04,329
special relationships that continued for

1805
01:22:07,799 --> 01:22:07,030
a long period of time that the problem

1806
01:22:09,959 --> 01:22:07,809
is when you

1807
01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:09,969
the facts together you know they just

1808
01:22:15,089 --> 01:22:12,760
stand up there were some questions

1809
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,099
certainly raised I thought the people

1810
01:22:21,029 --> 01:22:18,159
who remember in the early 90s he also

1811
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:21,039
appeared before congressional committees

1812
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:26,260
this was Leo W idiot yeah and there's no

1813
01:22:30,779 --> 01:22:28,270
doubt again this is one where there's

1814
01:22:33,419 --> 01:22:30,789
certainly some truth that POWs got left

1815
01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:33,429
behind a number of areas and you know

1816
01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:35,020
that's kind of a black mark on our

1817
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,780
history but I've talked to some of the

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01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:39,760
ones who worked the Soviet issue and

1819
01:22:45,180 --> 01:22:41,710
some of the things he said you know

1820
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:45,190
they've got severe problems with parts

1821
01:22:48,899 --> 01:22:47,650
of the testimony well he called J Edgar

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:48,909
Hoover his good buddy

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01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:52,090
and Larry Bryan's got a copy of course

1824
01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:55,630
those FBI file and Hoover called him a

1825
01:23:03,270 --> 01:22:58,690
rat I mean that's a bit of a difference

1826
01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:03,280
of opinion I tried to pin him down he

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01:23:10,169 --> 01:23:05,260
tells this great story about being at

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01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:10,179
Fort Riley Kansas and on July 6th his

1829
01:23:15,629 --> 01:23:13,270
bowling buddy somehow let him in one of

1830
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,639
the clearest violations of security

1831
01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:18,159
you're ever going to see gave him access

1832
01:23:24,510 --> 01:23:21,190
to crate in which there was some blue

1833
01:23:27,029 --> 01:23:24,520
fluid and an alien body and when I asked

1834
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,039
him of course oh how do you know it was

1835
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:29,440
July 6 that doesn't fit the chronology

1836
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,050
and well I said Dean did you have a

1837
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:35,199
diary I was hoping you know or notes no

1838
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:37,150
I know when I was transferred there that

1839
01:23:41,279 --> 01:23:38,530
was March or April

1840
01:23:44,669 --> 01:23:41,289
but that's no answer to the question and

1841
01:23:47,339 --> 01:23:44,679
John would you agreed that if you had an

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01:23:50,939 --> 01:23:47,349
alien body it would not be left

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01:23:53,609 --> 01:23:50,949
unguarded and certainly no guy would let

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01:23:55,410 --> 01:23:53,619
somebody look at it I have a fast

1845
01:23:58,319 --> 01:23:55,420
question when you talk about this before

1846
01:24:00,930 --> 01:23:58,329
John answers so how much of this book

1847
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:00,940
was embellished in the edited version

1848
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:03,940
and added as opposed to what was there

1849
01:24:09,450 --> 01:24:08,050
before John well the whole Roswell thing

1850
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:09,460
just doesn't exist

1851
01:24:13,229 --> 01:24:11,650
in the original manuscript and if you

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01:24:15,149 --> 01:24:13,239
read in the book it's written first

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01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,159
person you know people said this this

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01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:17,920
happened and that happened knowing it

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01:24:24,899 --> 01:24:20,860
was their thing yeah there were some

1856
01:24:28,379 --> 01:24:24,909
things that were omitted because they

1857
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:28,389
thought it was too far out to to be

1858
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:32,409
impounded there's a huge debate over the

1859
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:36,610
editing process as to how that actually

1860
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:40,570
occurred and how much time was involved

1861
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:43,060
and that sort of thing no no John are

1862
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:44,830
you talking about the editing process or

1863
01:24:53,729 --> 01:24:50,800
the co-writing process well I'm not sure

1864
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:53,739
how to put this politely but though was

1865
01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:57,760
not computer literate and things like

1866
01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:00,610
grammar and whatnot sometimes a little

1867
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:03,780
different than what we might anticipate

1868
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:08,369
so the point was he needed a co-author

1869
01:25:14,459 --> 01:25:11,650
no doubts about that so the co-author of

1870
01:25:20,209 --> 01:25:14,469
course had to do quite a bit of the of

1871
01:25:24,330 --> 01:25:22,770
that just doesn't that doesn't sound

1872
01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:24,340
like a co-author to me it sounds like

1873
01:25:34,919 --> 01:25:28,600
somebody you're taking liberties to be

1874
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:34,929
polite as well to bill birnes by the way

1875
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,550
ladies and gentlemen but if you look at

1876
01:25:44,459 --> 01:25:41,920
the manuscript and it is available on

1877
01:25:46,919 --> 01:25:44,469
the internet now you won't find any of

1878
01:25:50,609 --> 01:25:46,929
those references how it got in don't

1879
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:50,619
know the debate over editing is that

1880
01:25:57,780 --> 01:25:53,920
Phil had said they had 24 hours to go

1881
01:25:59,820 --> 01:25:57,790
through the entire book other people

1882
01:26:02,850 --> 01:25:59,830
who've worked with Burns has said no

1883
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:02,860
he's totally meticulous that if there

1884
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:06,250
are controversies it doesn't go in so

1885
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:09,090
it's just another of the conundrums

1886
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:12,250
about anytime you get around the course

1887
01:26:18,959 --> 01:26:15,520
all interesting incidentally but John

1888
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:18,969
and I both I mentioned he mentions the

1889
01:26:24,899 --> 01:26:22,090
man who was actually head of the foreign

1890
01:26:28,140 --> 01:26:24,909
technology division under Trudeau it's a

1891
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:28,150
two man unit I got a copy of the roster

1892
01:26:33,129 --> 01:26:30,820
with that group and you mentioned the

1893
01:26:38,859 --> 01:26:33,139
guy's name stegler was it something

1894
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:38,869
yeah yeah I found his wife and he was in

1895
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:41,630
the hospital at the time and he never

1896
01:26:46,450 --> 01:26:44,570
came out I wanted to talk to him but

1897
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:46,460
it's impossible

1898
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:49,489
unfortunately so John and I both looked

1899
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:54,290
at some of the same problems and I and

1900
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:56,449
incidentally one of the difficulties

1901
01:27:00,040 --> 01:26:58,070
there is many many people that I've

1902
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:00,050
talked to thought really that phil was

1903
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,690
talking about the Air Force foreign

1904
01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:05,440
technology division at wright-patterson

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01:27:09,310 --> 01:27:07,969
and I had a lot of dealings with them

1906
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,320
and there were a bunch of engineers and

1907
01:27:13,959 --> 01:27:11,600
scientists there I had a contract and I

1908
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:13,969
went back there every month or so for

1909
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:16,369
over a year and that was an outstanding

1910
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:20,710
group of people but it was not it at all

1911
01:27:27,129 --> 01:27:23,810
no it isn't but many people thought that

1912
01:27:29,709 --> 01:27:27,139
that's what they were talking about you

1913
01:27:32,919 --> 01:27:29,719
know it was a small outfit and there's

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01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:32,929
another question to let's suppose for a

1915
01:27:38,260 --> 01:27:35,090
minute John that Roswell had happened in

1916
01:27:40,060 --> 01:27:38,270
July 1947 you're going to tell me that

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01:27:42,189 --> 01:27:40,070
the Air Force would have dug a hole in

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01:27:44,649 --> 01:27:42,199
the ground put it all in and nothing was

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01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:44,659
done to industry until Phil comes along

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01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:49,850
after 1960 that make any sense at all

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01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:52,070
well the book implies here then he was

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01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:55,070
Trudeau's right-hand man his bagman he

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01:27:59,260 --> 01:27:57,290
finds this junk in a file cabinet and

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01:28:01,570 --> 01:27:59,270
then he takes it out the private

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01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:01,580
industry here it is here's night goggles

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01:28:07,450 --> 01:28:04,310
and all that stuff and I say that makes

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01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:07,460
no sense at all I mean that's true now

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01:28:10,959 --> 01:28:09,170
actually when you get in the night

1929
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vision that's the topic that I know

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quite a bit about and I knew the guy who

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literally built my vision lab and I

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talked to him and he knows that I do

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01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,239
weird stuff and he we talked to him

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01:28:29,109 --> 01:28:26,480
specifically about it and just none of

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01:28:31,450 --> 01:28:29,119
that makes any sense whatsoever we know

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:31,460
the history of what happened one of the

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01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:33,530
things for instance is there's a story

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01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:35,449
in there about him going down will the

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01:28:39,870 --> 01:28:37,310
5min to quote a five million dollar

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01:28:42,459 --> 01:28:39,880
check in his pocket and here's a

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non-scientist and and if you agree with

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01:28:47,029 --> 01:28:44,420
these these guys he'll give them the

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01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:47,039
check anybody knows

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the system worked and interestingly

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01:28:56,089 --> 01:28:51,840
there there is a five million dollar

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bump that comes in and there's a name of

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the person who provided that and it is

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not Corso

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01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,579
so are we seeing here that things happen

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or may have happened Corso decided that

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he would just change the name so if John

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whoever does something it became Philip

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and Philip did it instead he put himself

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in the place of the people who may have

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done some things and maybe made up the

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rest what an interesting story John

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Alexander and Stanton Friedman we're

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talking about UFO secrecy does it exist

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or not and all the ramifications are so

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many with gene and Chris you're in the

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Stanton Friedman so in the end as we

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speak I'm the power cast with Gina and

2047
01:34:15,790 --> 01:34:12,370
Chris before we get on to other subjects

2048
01:34:18,940 --> 01:34:15,800
we'll just take the day after Roswell

2049
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:18,950
and stick it not in the great basket but

2050
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:24,130
in the science fiction basket what ok

2051
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:28,130
not in the great basket we concur that's

2052
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:38,510
refreshing Chris well here's one makes

2053
01:34:44,290 --> 01:34:42,530
sense to me here's another question by

2054
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:44,300
sentry who asks of course Oh question

2055
01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:47,450
and he says that and I'm gonna help him

2056
01:34:51,850 --> 01:34:49,310
here his question isn't worded well but

2057
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:51,860
let's assume that the u.s. government

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01:34:56,650 --> 01:34:54,050
has passively allowed some of their

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01:35:00,670 --> 01:34:56,660
secret aerial projects and operations to

2060
01:35:04,780 --> 01:35:00,680
be mistaken for UFOs do we have any

2061
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:04,790
documented examples John of UFOs being

2062
01:35:09,340 --> 01:35:06,530
used as some sort of disinformation

2063
01:35:11,850 --> 01:35:09,350
cover now I remember your year and a

2064
01:35:15,790 --> 01:35:11,860
half ago there was an article about the

2065
01:35:19,620 --> 01:35:15,800
the sr-71 blackbird some of those

2066
01:35:22,690 --> 01:35:19,630
sightings were used to blanketly dismiss

2067
01:35:25,090 --> 01:35:22,700
motion photo sightings do we have and

2068
01:35:27,729 --> 01:35:25,100
are you aware of any examples of let's

2069
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:27,739
say stealth when it was operational but

2070
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:32,690
undisclosed for instance the f-117 or

2071
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:35,210
the b2 do we have any examples of this

2072
01:35:42,370 --> 01:35:39,500
being policy absolutely that was

2073
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:42,380
released in the 1990s it had more to do

2074
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:44,810
with the u2's where you had pilots who

2075
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:47,030
reporting they're seeing things flying

2076
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:50,090
above them and they knew nobody could

2077
01:35:55,190 --> 01:35:53,110
fly that high well yes they could and

2078
01:35:59,150 --> 01:35:55,200
that the

2079
01:36:01,810 --> 01:35:59,160
was a UFO was part of the over cover

2080
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:01,820
story well there's another side to that

2081
01:36:09,230 --> 01:36:04,350
and John is correcting what he just said

2082
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:09,240
a guy named Haynes wrote a CIA historian

2083
01:36:14,660 --> 01:36:12,090
wrote saying that the military was

2084
01:36:16,190 --> 01:36:14,670
delighted that people reporting UFOs and

2085
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:16,200
that was accountable for most of the

2086
01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:18,120
sightings and say you do was flying and

2087
01:36:22,190 --> 01:36:20,310
so forth people of dr. Bruce Maccabee

2088
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:22,200
among others have looked at the number

2089
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:24,000
of sightings they did not increase when

2090
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:25,970
these were flying I'm in total agreement

2091
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:29,840
that any pilot seeing a plane going at

2092
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:33,600
70,000 feet and back in time of it would

2093
01:36:37,310 --> 01:36:34,890
have said hey we own everything that

2094
01:36:40,420 --> 01:36:37,320
flies like that however none of those

2095
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:40,430
u2's could make right-angle turns

2096
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:42,510
none of them could land out in the

2097
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:44,280
middle of nowhere and take them off from

2098
01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:46,620
out in the middle of nowhere none of

2099
01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:49,590
them were flying around our military

2100
01:36:57,410 --> 01:36:53,940
airplanes think of the RV 47 case so it

2101
01:36:59,570 --> 01:36:57,420
was a made-up story by Haynes in terms

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01:37:04,420 --> 01:36:59,580
of proportion where there are a lot of

2103
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:04,430
special cases no no what we agree that

2104
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:08,250
UFOs are real and do things that you

2105
01:37:15,710 --> 01:37:12,450
know defy explanation the question

2106
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:15,720
though was is was there an example of

2107
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:19,290
the government using UFOs for you know

2108
01:37:25,010 --> 01:37:22,650
covering you know in the operation and

2109
01:37:27,530 --> 01:37:25,020
the answer there was yes and you know a

2110
01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:27,540
piece of it had to do with like I said

2111
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:30,300
u2's and some other unusual Erika I

2112
01:37:34,820 --> 01:37:32,430
always tell people don't be surprised if

2113
01:37:38,810 --> 01:37:34,830
strange things fly in the desert always

2114
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:38,820
have that doesn't make them et but also

2115
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:41,250
does not explain the kinds of things

2116
01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:43,530
that you were just describing because

2117
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:46,620
those events happen as well yeah and

2118
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:48,810
look at the physical trace cases out in

2119
01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:50,400
the middle of nowhere all over the place

2120
01:37:55,460 --> 01:37:53,430
80 countries Ted Phillips data covers or

2121
01:37:58,130 --> 01:37:55,470
maybe it's 85 now I don't know it keeps

2122
01:37:59,690 --> 01:37:58,140
changing where people see these things

2123
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,700
come down out in the middle of nowhere

2124
01:38:04,580 --> 01:38:01,920
and take off from their physical changes

2125
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:04,590
look behind but be sure is we have

2126
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:06,690
helicopters that can do that but not can

2127
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,090
go silently

2128
01:38:13,670 --> 01:38:11,280
and make breath turns and very high

2129
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:13,680
speeds as a combination of behavior in

2130
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:17,490
other words behaviors rules out our sort

2131
01:38:21,620 --> 01:38:19,290
because again if we had this something

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01:38:23,420 --> 01:38:21,630
years ago where is it on the battlefield

2133
01:38:26,060 --> 01:38:23,430
we could use all the help we can get

2134
01:38:28,130 --> 01:38:26,070
well that's been one of my key arguments

2135
01:38:30,620 --> 01:38:28,140
and particularly a bunk you know do we

2136
01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:30,630
have the you know the huge triangles

2137
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:33,630
that are moving things reality is

2138
01:38:38,630 --> 01:38:36,090
logistics is a long pole an attempt

2139
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:38,640
anything that could fly that's big that

2140
01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:42,450
can move stuff that would have been made

2141
01:38:50,170 --> 01:38:46,200
known and we needed sorely in Iraq and

2142
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:50,180
Afghanistan logistics so I just think

2143
01:38:56,540 --> 01:38:54,290
well here's a related question for Stan

2144
01:38:58,900 --> 01:38:56,550
it has to do with the the cash

2145
01:39:02,980 --> 01:38:58,910
laundering and this comes from our

2146
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:02,990
poster from Calgary ufology who's a

2147
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,130
fairly long time poster at the Forum do

2148
01:39:11,810 --> 01:39:10,080
you think the cash Lunger incident Stan

2149
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:11,820
may have been involved I may have

2150
01:39:15,470 --> 01:39:13,650
involved the testing of a seka craft

2151
01:39:18,740 --> 01:39:15,480
that could have possibly used one of

2152
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,750
your nuclear rocket engines well more

2153
01:39:22,220 --> 01:39:20,400
likely could have used one of our

2154
01:39:26,830 --> 01:39:22,230
nuclear airplane engines I worked on

2155
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,840
nuclear planes back in the late 50s and

2156
01:39:33,970 --> 01:39:29,520
but when you realize that the thing took

2157
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,980
off out over the Gulf it seems unlikely

2158
01:39:39,170 --> 01:39:36,480
my first job when I heard about that

2159
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:39,180
case was well gee whiz or we did we

2160
01:39:44,060 --> 01:39:42,450
revived the ANP program that was a big

2161
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,070
program most people have never heard of

2162
01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:47,040
it but in 1958 for example we spent a

2163
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:48,660
general electric aircraft nuclear

2164
01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:50,850
propulsion department we spent a hundred

2165
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:54,540
million dollars employed 3,500 people of

2166
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,580
whom 1,100 were engineers and scientists

2167
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,040
it wasn't six professors on 20 grad

2168
01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:00,960
students it was a major effort

2169
01:40:06,050 --> 01:40:03,540
we never did fly a nuclear-powered

2170
01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:06,060
airplane as far as I know we flew a

2171
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:09,180
small reactor on board an airplane to do

2172
01:40:14,330 --> 01:40:11,370
radiation shielding experiments which is

2173
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:14,340
quite another manner but that was my

2174
01:40:22,370 --> 01:40:17,010
first thought was gee maybe the secret

2175
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:22,380
program went on but I came away after

2176
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:22,710
talk

2177
01:40:25,940 --> 01:40:24,330
John Schuessler about that in some

2178
01:40:26,450 --> 01:40:25,950
detail and meeting the people and so

2179
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:26,460
forth

2180
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:29,910
it didn't seem appropriate to me to

2181
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,800
reach that conclusion from what I knew

2182
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:34,560
about our program well and it goes

2183
01:40:39,170 --> 01:40:37,020
beyond that because the timing is one

2184
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:39,180
that just kind of eliminates most of

2185
01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:42,120
that you know what folks not everybody

2186
01:40:47,210 --> 01:40:44,550
who listens to the podcast knows the ins

2187
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:47,220
and outs and enter details of all these

2188
01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:49,530
cases Stan or John would either if you

2189
01:40:55,180 --> 01:40:51,120
take a minute or so to kind of summarize

2190
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,070
Ashland room yes okay you have two women

2191
01:41:01,880 --> 01:40:59,760
and one of them's grandson and they're

2192
01:41:03,110 --> 01:41:01,890
driving out in Texas it's sort of in the

2193
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:03,120
middle of nowhere there's a lot of

2194
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:07,730
nowhere in Texas and the Paulding area

2195
01:41:13,730 --> 01:41:10,020
what near but you know what I mean

2196
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:13,740
wasn't in in the city and there's this

2197
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:16,290
this thing that's there and they're very

2198
01:41:21,170 --> 01:41:19,320
curious about it they kind of one gets

2199
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:21,180
out of the car one stays sort of in the

2200
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:24,300
car and they felt Heat it was a crazy

2201
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:27,030
thing and that crazy thing here is that

2202
01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:30,320
along come a bunch of black helicopters

2203
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,300
no it's dozens of Chinooks I mean more

2204
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:35,820
Chinooks and we're anywhere near the

2205
01:41:43,610 --> 01:41:39,420
location that this event occurred and so

2206
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:43,620
the crazy part is that the people came

2207
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:45,120
down with what would have to be

2208
01:41:51,410 --> 01:41:48,210
described as radiation sickness here

2209
01:41:53,540 --> 01:41:51,420
coming out burns a bunch of stuff I mean

2210
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:53,550
real medical problems we're not talking

2211
01:41:59,150 --> 01:41:56,670
about oh my arm was a little warm we're

2212
01:42:04,270 --> 01:41:59,160
talking about the the two women and the

2213
01:42:07,130 --> 01:42:04,280
boy having serious medical problems and

2214
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:07,140
John Schuessler who was for some time

2215
01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:08,730
the international director of the mutual

2216
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,310
UFO network and is an aerospace engineer

2217
01:42:15,740 --> 01:42:13,920
worked for McDonnell Douglas for decades

2218
01:42:18,290 --> 01:42:15,750
literally about in the Houston area and

2219
01:42:21,110 --> 01:42:18,300
near where this was he st. Louis and

2220
01:42:24,020 --> 01:42:21,120
then Houston I did a a great deal of

2221
01:42:26,630 --> 01:42:24,030
Investigation and all right trying to

2222
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,640
pin down whose helicopters are these and

2223
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,800
there was even a legal action brought

2224
01:42:33,190 --> 01:42:30,480
against the government which didn't go

2225
01:42:36,350 --> 01:42:33,200
far about the damage done to the people

2226
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:36,360
so it's a classic case partly

2227
01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:38,100
because John did a good job of writing

2228
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:40,920
up no exaggeration no made-up stories

2229
01:42:46,250 --> 01:42:44,400
and we're still puzzled by it because I

2230
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:46,260
don't know what the bottom line is on

2231
01:42:54,430 --> 01:42:47,910
that but I don't think it was one of

2232
01:42:59,630 --> 01:42:57,170
ok that's one of the big questions here

2233
01:43:01,190 --> 01:42:59,640
and one will have to continue to explore

2234
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:01,200
as we move to the next segment of the

2235
01:43:06,650 --> 01:43:03,510
para cast and that is is there any

2236
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:06,660
possibility at all that this was an

2237
01:43:14,690 --> 01:43:11,010
accident involving our temps to test

2238
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,700
some kind of aircraft with nuclear

2239
01:43:19,190 --> 01:43:16,320
propulsion and it went wrong

2240
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,200
John you say that's not possible we're

2241
01:43:22,250 --> 01:43:20,880
going to break her we got an answer and

2242
01:43:25,610 --> 01:43:22,260
why should you start answering we have

2243
01:43:28,460 --> 01:43:25,620
about a minute okay the answer is not

2244
01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:28,470
absolutely not ours when you say not

2245
01:43:33,170 --> 01:43:30,840
nearer but it's only about 40 miles

2246
01:43:35,660 --> 01:43:33,180
outside of Houston you don't test

2247
01:43:37,730 --> 01:43:35,670
engines right and you know word craft

2248
01:43:39,860 --> 01:43:37,740
you know we got place out here you know

2249
01:43:44,510 --> 01:43:39,870
where you do that sort of stuff

2250
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:44,520
so that's highly unlikely what one of

2251
01:43:49,340 --> 01:43:46,890
the aspects of this is that the story

2252
01:43:53,780 --> 01:43:49,350
that the people told about the radiation

2253
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:53,790
is exactly consistent quarry the little

2254
01:43:58,640 --> 01:43:56,070
boy did not get much he saw something

2255
01:44:00,920 --> 01:43:58,650
got scared jumped in the back seat one

2256
01:44:03,260 --> 01:44:00,930
woman stood behind the door she did not

2257
01:44:07,010 --> 01:44:03,270
get as much radiation the other guy

2258
01:44:10,850 --> 01:44:07,020
whole body radiation what we know about

2259
01:44:13,940 --> 01:44:10,860
the onset and severity of symptoms they

2260
01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:13,950
were at LD 100 meaning absolutely should

2261
01:44:19,580 --> 01:44:17,580
have died okay all right that's a very

2262
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:19,590
important point and that's will be the

2263
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:21,810
breaking point we have John Alexander

2264
01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:25,410
and we have Stanton Friedman with Jean

2265
01:44:35,890 --> 01:44:32,010
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2293
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2301
01:46:01,090 --> 01:45:53,380
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2302
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,100
here's Jane Steinberg journeying into

2303
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:04,000
the final hour a long journey

2304
01:46:09,670 --> 01:46:07,070
fascinating stories points encounter

2305
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:09,680
points with Stanton Friedman and John

2306
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:12,170
Alexander by UFO secrecy in the

2307
01:46:17,470 --> 01:46:14,960
ramifications with Jean and christen the

2308
01:46:19,690 --> 01:46:17,480
Power casts of John as we broke you're

2309
01:46:22,570 --> 01:46:19,700
about to say they suffered severe

2310
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:22,580
radiation but the level of radiation

2311
01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:24,710
that would normally kill people but

2312
01:46:32,050 --> 01:46:26,120
didn't is that what you're saying

2313
01:46:35,470 --> 01:46:32,060
correct okay Betty Kasia they died from

2314
01:46:38,020 --> 01:46:35,480
leukemia but like 20 years later is

2315
01:46:39,940 --> 01:46:38,030
something that you would might get wurr

2316
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:39,950
contract because of radiation poisoning

2317
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,250
right yes I mean but the problem is when

2318
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:45,440
you're dealing with an N of one it is

2319
01:46:49,690 --> 01:46:47,330
hard to attribute and say yes it

2320
01:46:51,610 --> 01:46:49,700
definitely was this particular case that

2321
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:51,620
caused it but to say that they were

2322
01:46:58,030 --> 01:46:55,130
severely injured absolutely true in the

2323
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,040
lawsuit that followed a guy had named it

2324
01:47:02,290 --> 01:47:00,320
will the Air Force got it and they threw

2325
01:47:05,770 --> 01:47:02,300
it to the Army they said the hooks were

2326
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:05,780
ours and so the guy my name a Colonel

2327
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,210
George surround is one of ended up

2328
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:10,400
investigating the case did an excellent

2329
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:13,550
job went out and looked at all of the

2330
01:47:18,820 --> 01:47:16,250
potential aircraft there was only one or

2331
01:47:21,580 --> 01:47:18,830
one of the key issues is the date by the

2332
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:21,590
way the same date has been waters

2333
01:47:26,050 --> 01:47:24,320
he's one of the Bentwaters incidents but

2334
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:26,060
the point is it's between Christmas and

2335
01:47:30,730 --> 01:47:28,970
New Year's and as most people know we're

2336
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:30,740
in the military and particularly at that

2337
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:32,690
time you didn't do anything between

2338
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:34,610
Christmas and you this was kind of a

2339
01:47:39,190 --> 01:47:37,310
stand down time you're at half usually

2340
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:39,200
half staffing people are away on

2341
01:47:44,830 --> 01:47:42,080
vacation and you certainly don't test it

2342
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:44,840
near major metropolitan areas and we

2343
01:47:49,390 --> 01:47:47,510
attack sure all of the helicopters you

2344
01:47:51,850 --> 01:47:49,400
know they just didn't exist which to me

2345
01:47:55,060 --> 01:47:51,860
is one of the more interesting pieces of

2346
01:47:57,580 --> 01:47:55,070
the puzzle as to where they were there

2347
01:48:00,879 --> 01:47:57,590
were they you know holographic

2348
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:00,889
actions were they you know the ability

2349
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:03,770
to cause the people who were there to

2350
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:06,409
see things that weren't there and they

2351
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:08,090
weren't the only ones who saw them other

2352
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:10,790
people saw the helicopters as well well

2353
01:48:15,790 --> 01:48:12,489
I remember reading somewhere that

2354
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:15,800
somebody did an investigation on the

2355
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:18,610
deployment and in the basing of

2356
01:48:22,810 --> 01:48:20,810
double-bladed you know Sikorsky were

2357
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:22,820
chinook type helicopters and that it

2358
01:48:28,030 --> 01:48:24,820
would take almost the entire south

2359
01:48:30,010 --> 01:48:28,040
western United States's complement of

2360
01:48:31,570 --> 01:48:30,020
these choppers to add up to the amount

2361
01:48:34,089 --> 01:48:31,580
that we're seeing in various formations

2362
01:48:36,939 --> 01:48:34,099
around this event so you think possibly

2363
01:48:42,970 --> 01:48:36,949
there was some sort of hole that's an

2364
01:48:44,890 --> 01:48:42,980
exaggeration I think so how many did

2365
01:48:48,729 --> 01:48:44,900
they say they saw it was close to the 22

2366
01:48:51,790 --> 01:48:48,739
or 23 well no there were 22 or 23 total

2367
01:48:54,850 --> 01:48:51,800
helicopters some of them were Hawks okay

2368
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:54,860
all right so well let's move on that's

2369
01:48:58,209 --> 01:48:57,050
one that I've always felt was one of our

2370
01:49:04,270 --> 01:48:58,219
most compelling cases

2371
01:49:07,930 --> 01:49:04,280
I mean radiation sicknesses isn't caused

2372
01:49:09,580 --> 01:49:07,940
by confabulation and this will think you

2373
01:49:11,950 --> 01:49:09,590
believe me but here's an interesting

2374
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:11,960
question that's brought up by toxic surf

2375
01:49:16,419 --> 01:49:14,570
one of our our longtime posters and they

2376
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:16,429
asked does it seem to you lately that

2377
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:19,250
the mainstream media and the media in

2378
01:49:25,810 --> 01:49:21,590
general are covering and propagating the

2379
01:49:28,030 --> 01:49:25,820
myth / reality of UFOs and the ETH to a

2380
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,040
greater degree than in the past that's

2381
01:49:33,820 --> 01:49:30,080
part one and do you draw in these

2382
01:49:36,010 --> 01:49:33,830
conclusions as to why and if someone in

2383
01:49:38,290 --> 01:49:36,020
quotes has pushed them in this direction

2384
01:49:40,990 --> 01:49:38,300
or is it just that right now aliens are

2385
01:49:44,290 --> 01:49:41,000
selling I think that's a good question I

2386
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:44,300
suggest they don't know history but you

2387
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:47,540
know if you go down and who's the most

2388
01:49:52,359 --> 01:49:50,210
popular presidents you'll find that

2389
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:52,369
folks there were 30 40 years ago don't

2390
01:49:56,410 --> 01:49:54,650
even rate on there you just remember

2391
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,420
things that are a bit but go back into

2392
01:50:01,479 --> 01:49:58,880
the 50s and look at the movies of the

2393
01:50:03,820 --> 01:50:01,489
50s and all the television programs and

2394
01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:03,830
all of that well I think something else

2395
01:50:09,820 --> 01:50:06,590
is involved here too I think there's an

2396
01:50:10,990 --> 01:50:09,830
old line from German physicist Max

2397
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:11,000
Planck that

2398
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:13,610
ideas come to be accepted not because

2399
01:50:17,380 --> 01:50:15,320
their opponents come to believe in them

2400
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:17,390
but because their opponents die and a

2401
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:19,010
new generation grows up that's

2402
01:50:23,530 --> 01:50:20,810
accustomed to them they didn't say

2403
01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:23,540
understands so one thing that's happened

2404
01:50:29,650 --> 01:50:26,630
greatly in the last few years is this

2405
01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:29,660
whole business with exoplanets you know

2406
01:50:33,370 --> 01:50:31,490
for a long time we thought our solar

2407
01:50:35,890 --> 01:50:33,380
system was the only group of planets in

2408
01:50:37,660 --> 01:50:35,900
the whole darn universe practically and

2409
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:37,670
now we're finding them all over the

2410
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:38,930
place there was just an announcement

2411
01:50:46,300 --> 01:50:42,490
about 50 more exoplanets and we have the

2412
01:50:48,850 --> 01:50:46,310
Kepler satellite and the contrast

2413
01:50:51,250 --> 01:50:48,860
there's an interesting change in numbers

2414
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:51,260
the SETI people said there might be

2415
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:53,150
eight thousand places that could be

2416
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:56,810
sending signals in our galaxy big

2417
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:00,320
galaxies and now the Kepler people are

2418
01:51:06,010 --> 01:51:03,310
saying gee there could be eight billion

2419
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:06,020
because everywhere you turn there are

2420
01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:08,360
planets planets fine big ones small ones

2421
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:10,640
you know dense ones not so dense ones

2422
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:13,790
all kinds and what this has changed I

2423
01:51:18,910 --> 01:51:16,490
think people's attitudes if you talked

2424
01:51:21,130 --> 01:51:18,920
about other life you were looked at as

2425
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:21,140
you know that's a little crazy you're

2426
01:51:24,970 --> 01:51:23,090
talking space travel and other beings

2427
01:51:27,460 --> 01:51:24,980
why should we even think of such things

2428
01:51:29,860 --> 01:51:27,470
well now now that we've been out there

2429
01:51:32,710 --> 01:51:29,870
and now that we suddenly realize there

2430
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:32,720
isn't anything special about our solar

2431
01:51:39,070 --> 01:51:37,370
system except to us presume that I think

2432
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:39,080
it's changed the public attitudes I

2433
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:40,370
think the younger generation has grown

2434
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:42,410
up with an entirely different mindset

2435
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:45,110
than mine in John's did about life out

2436
01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:48,320
there and ever be in contact and all the

2437
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:50,270
rest of that stuff so yeah I think the

2438
01:51:55,570 --> 01:51:53,090
press coverage has been somewhat better

2439
01:51:57,700 --> 01:51:55,580
more interested they're covering this

2440
01:52:00,820 --> 01:51:57,710
stories because they know it selves you

2441
01:52:03,190 --> 01:52:00,830
know simple as that well and yeah that's

2442
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,200
one of the key issues is that they go

2443
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:06,800
with what sells yeah yeah and life and

2444
01:52:10,270 --> 01:52:08,090
outer space Wow

2445
01:52:12,220 --> 01:52:10,280
you know and part of that too is the

2446
01:52:14,710 --> 01:52:12,230
world is a miserable place right now

2447
01:52:17,470 --> 01:52:14,720
isn't it no for the last couple of years

2448
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:17,480
I mean seriously in terms of overall

2449
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:19,970
isn't everything great well nobody's

2450
01:52:31,370 --> 01:52:24,470
really standards get it's getting grim

2451
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:31,380
and it's getting grimmer yes say is if

2452
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:33,960
you look out there now the probability

2453
01:52:38,990 --> 01:52:36,090
of intelligent life stability of the

2454
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:39,000
statistical probability almost says it

2455
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:43,650
must be out there someplace well yeah

2456
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:45,810
Stan's and John just brought up a really

2457
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:47,970
good point I think most of our viewing

2458
01:52:52,610 --> 01:52:50,280
audience has a pretty good handle on

2459
01:52:55,670 --> 01:52:52,620
Stanton Friedman's assertions about the

2460
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:55,680
extra-terrestrial hypothesis and I think

2461
01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:57,090
it's safe to say Stan that you think

2462
01:53:00,890 --> 01:52:58,500
that these are objects that are true

2463
01:53:03,020 --> 01:53:00,900
foes in other words UFOs that are truly

2464
01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:03,030
unexplained and from somewhere else that

2465
01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:04,920
your feeling is that they're from

2466
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:08,040
elsewhere in this galaxy or in this

2467
01:53:13,580 --> 01:53:11,310
space-time continuum in this galaxy as a

2468
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:13,590
matter of fact I see row in on our local

2469
01:53:18,380 --> 01:53:16,320
neighborhood get a little tired with

2470
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,390
people talking about the galaxy and a

2471
01:53:21,850 --> 01:53:19,920
couple hundred billion stars a hundred

2472
01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:21,860
thousand light-years across

2473
01:53:25,820 --> 01:53:24,300
there's definitely there's some sort of

2474
01:53:27,500 --> 01:53:25,830
intelligent life out there I think we

2475
01:53:29,090 --> 01:53:27,510
can all agree on that but do you think

2476
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,100
that that intelligent life is

2477
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:31,920
responsible for thousands of years of

2478
01:53:37,220 --> 01:53:34,770
interaction and overflights of this

2479
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:37,230
particular little you know orb floating

2480
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,540
in space do you think that these are ETS

2481
01:53:43,670 --> 01:53:42,000
coming here for whatever reason well I

2482
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:43,680
think that's been going on for a long

2483
01:53:48,050 --> 01:53:45,570
time yeah I look at Barry Downing's book

2484
01:53:50,420 --> 01:53:48,060
the Bible and flying saucers old and new

2485
01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:50,430
Testament all kinds of cases we'd have

2486
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:53,100
to say typical UFOs I think it's a

2487
01:53:57,260 --> 01:53:55,110
standard practice for any advanced

2488
01:53:59,690 --> 01:53:57,270
civilization to be concerned about its

2489
01:54:01,310 --> 01:53:59,700
own survival and security that means you

2490
01:54:02,990 --> 01:54:01,320
check out the primitives in the

2491
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:03,000
neighborhood every so often to make sure

2492
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,430
they can't sneak up on you and you know

2493
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:07,920
before 1900 remember on this one that

2494
01:54:13,220 --> 01:54:10,650
there was no flight no nuclear and not

2495
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:13,230
much radio you know all kinds of things

2496
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:16,410
didn't exist but remember a Second World

2497
01:54:23,300 --> 01:54:19,590
War we killed 50 million of our own kind

2498
01:54:25,550 --> 01:54:23,310
we destroyed 1700 cities we had nuclear

2499
01:54:28,250 --> 01:54:25,560
weapons we had rockets packed with

2500
01:54:32,330 --> 01:54:28,260
explosives look we talked about progress

2501
01:54:35,420 --> 01:54:32,340
Wow in 1942 a big bomb was a 10-ton

2502
01:54:36,439 --> 01:54:35,430
block buster made a pretty big dent in

2503
01:54:38,750 --> 01:54:36,449
the ground okay

2504
01:54:41,089 --> 01:54:38,760
45 we had our first atomic bombs we're

2505
01:54:42,350 --> 01:54:41,099
talking 15 thousand tons of TNT

2506
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:42,360
equivalent

2507
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:46,170
seven years later 1952 our first h-bomb

2508
01:54:52,819 --> 01:54:50,010
10 million tons of TNT equivalent

2509
01:54:55,370 --> 01:54:52,829
now the key factor here is once you know

2510
01:54:57,890 --> 01:54:55,380
that a society has figured out how its

2511
01:55:00,319 --> 01:54:57,900
star works which is nuclear fusion and

2512
01:55:02,449 --> 01:55:00,329
its little brother nuclear fission

2513
01:55:05,029 --> 01:55:02,459
suddenly they're in a position to

2514
01:55:07,969 --> 01:55:05,039
develop propulsion systems that will get

2515
01:55:12,589 --> 01:55:07,979
them out to bother you we did that with

2516
01:55:14,449 --> 01:55:12,599
the Navy for example first bomb 45 1956

2517
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:14,459
we had the Nautilus goes around the

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world underwater without coming to the

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surface many people won't aren't aware

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that we have nuclear-powered aircraft

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carriers that can operate for 18 years

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without refueling and I'll tell you what

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we'll go into more of those 18 years but

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we won't take 18 years to explain it

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it is not 18 years later it's just three

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02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:18,210
minutes later on the power cast with

2631
02:00:22,730 --> 02:00:20,400
gene and Chris continuing this long

2632
02:00:25,490 --> 02:00:22,740
discussion with John Alexander and

2633
02:00:26,780 --> 02:00:25,500
Stanton Friedman let's move on a little

2634
02:00:30,740 --> 02:00:26,790
bit here unless you want to finish your

2635
02:00:33,020 --> 02:00:30,750
previous point Stan say that I worked on

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02:00:35,570 --> 02:00:33,030
fusion propulsion systems back in the

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02:00:37,550 --> 02:00:35,580
early 60s if we wanted to spend the

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02:00:39,350 --> 02:00:37,560
money I'm not saying we should I'm

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02:00:42,140 --> 02:00:39,360
saying if we want to spend the money we

2640
02:00:44,900 --> 02:00:42,150
could build a star traveling rocket

2641
02:00:46,790 --> 02:00:44,910
using nuclear fusion at 10 million times

2642
02:00:49,820 --> 02:00:46,800
as much energy per particle kicked out

2643
02:00:52,130 --> 02:00:49,830
the back end as in a chemical rocket now

2644
02:00:55,130 --> 02:00:52,140
if you were an alien when you look at a

2645
02:00:57,380 --> 02:00:55,140
group like ours with that 50 million

2646
02:00:59,450 --> 02:00:57,390
people killed in one war and it was a

2647
02:00:59,900 --> 02:00:59,460
trillion dollar military budget this

2648
02:01:02,000 --> 02:00:59,910
year

2649
02:01:05,450 --> 02:01:02,010
well how many thousand kids die every

2650
02:01:07,790 --> 02:01:05,460
single day of remineralization you would

2651
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:07,800
be concerned about the idiots on planet

2652
02:01:11,330 --> 02:01:08,250
Earth

2653
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:11,340
thank you can't ignore them yeah I'm

2654
02:01:16,190 --> 02:01:12,930
gonna take it a slightly different

2655
02:01:19,490 --> 02:01:16,200
direction and that is I think the a th

2656
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:19,500
only answers a small portion of the

2657
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:21,840
observations and part of the problem is

2658
02:01:26,270 --> 02:01:23,970
when you start talking about UFOs I

2659
02:01:27,650 --> 02:01:26,280
don't know what you mean because we got

2660
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:27,660
little balls of light that are flying

2661
02:01:32,510 --> 02:01:30,330
around we got big crafts that you know

2662
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:32,520
more than a mile across that are seeing

2663
02:01:36,770 --> 02:01:34,530
them various sensor systems and

2664
02:01:37,820 --> 02:01:36,780
everything in between and is and

2665
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:37,830
everything in between

2666
02:01:42,260 --> 02:01:40,080
that's a problem there are so many

2667
02:01:44,570 --> 02:01:42,270
different kinds of things that are seen

2668
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:44,580
now we've also talked about interaction

2669
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:46,050
the point is there have been

2670
02:01:51,710 --> 02:01:48,570
interactions between humans and the

2671
02:01:54,110 --> 02:01:51,720
sentient beings as long as we're dead

2672
02:01:59,900 --> 02:01:54,120
recorded history does that make them et

2673
02:02:02,210 --> 02:01:59,910
don't know the book it says we're not

2674
02:02:04,130 --> 02:02:02,220
even asking the right questions yet well

2675
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I think though if you look if you were

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to come to Indianhead New Hampshire Oh

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it'll probably be before this program is

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02:02:12,230 --> 02:02:10,530
broadcast now that I think about it but

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02:02:14,090 --> 02:02:12,240
there's the 50th anniversary being

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02:02:17,300 --> 02:02:14,100
celebrated at the Betty Umbra Hill case

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02:02:19,610 --> 02:02:17,310
and there's a case took place 50 years

2682
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:19,620
ago obviously that seems to be an

2683
02:02:24,230 --> 02:02:21,570
encounter with aliens and where we have

2684
02:02:26,569 --> 02:02:24,240
some explanation after the starmap work

2685
02:02:29,060 --> 02:02:26,579
of where those guys might

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02:02:30,379 --> 02:02:29,070
and that gives you a whole different

2687
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:30,389
view of our place in the scheme of

2688
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:32,250
things to the two stars that are

2689
02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:34,290
implicated they're interesting the

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02:02:39,890 --> 02:02:36,840
closest to each other pair of sun-like

2691
02:02:41,689 --> 02:02:39,900
stars in our entire local neighborhood

2692
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:41,699
only thirty nine point three light-years

2693
02:02:47,959 --> 02:02:45,210
from here but from each other only about

2694
02:02:49,189 --> 02:02:47,969
an eighth of a Lightyear apart so you

2695
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:49,199
have an entirely different situation

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02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:51,090
where you got a neighbor just down the

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02:02:56,180 --> 02:02:54,030
street as opposed to us being 4.3 light

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02:02:58,370 --> 02:02:56,190
years from the next star over a key

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02:03:01,640 --> 02:02:58,380
point is that they're a billion years

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02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:01,650
older than the Sun and just down the

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02:03:06,620 --> 02:03:03,840
street there are thousand stars within

2702
02:03:08,569 --> 02:03:06,630
50 light-years of us that's why I talked

2703
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,579
about local neighborhood I don't care

2704
02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:10,800
about out in the galaxy somewhere all

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02:03:14,990 --> 02:03:12,780
right stand afraid maybe someone who has

2706
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:15,000
worked on nuclear propulsion systems

2707
02:03:19,310 --> 02:03:17,520
early in your career how do we get there

2708
02:03:21,890 --> 02:03:19,320
how do they get to us do they have warp

2709
02:03:23,660 --> 02:03:21,900
drive wormholes any of these extra

2710
02:03:24,589 --> 02:03:23,670
techniques that allow you to get from

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02:03:27,740 --> 02:03:24,599
here to there

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02:03:30,020 --> 02:03:27,750
19 years but in hours or days well

2713
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:30,030
remember that at 1 G acceleration it

2714
02:03:35,299 --> 02:03:31,650
only takes a year to get close to the

2715
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:35,309
speed of light but at 99.99% of the

2716
02:03:40,220 --> 02:03:37,650
speed of light you can go 37 light years

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02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:40,230
and 6 months can island time go out come

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02:03:43,549 --> 02:03:41,760
back marry your granddaughters best

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02:03:46,910 --> 02:03:43,559
friend yeah but you're talking about

2720
02:03:50,750 --> 02:03:46,920
pilot time I'm talking about the actual

2721
02:03:53,660 --> 02:03:50,760
physical time well time is one measure

2722
02:03:55,399 --> 02:03:53,670
of time sure but I'm talking about the

2723
02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:55,409
physical amount of time is there warp

2724
02:04:00,589 --> 02:03:57,570
drive can they do warp drive can they go

2725
02:04:02,990 --> 02:04:00,599
into wormholes black holes whatever do

2726
02:04:05,870 --> 02:04:03,000
they have these tricks can these try no

2727
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:05,880
is that when you can give particles 10

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02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:07,530
million times as much energy for

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02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:09,599
particles as you can get in a chemical

2730
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:11,130
rocket you're going to expect some

2731
02:04:15,950 --> 02:04:13,050
improvement you know the world has

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02:04:19,010 --> 02:04:15,960
changed look at computers today I can

2733
02:04:26,089 --> 02:04:19,020
remember as I'm sure John can 64 K was

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02:04:31,459 --> 02:04:26,099
nice memory to have 64 M and now it's a

2735
02:04:33,979 --> 02:04:31,469
thumb drive with 14 gig yeah 16 I'm

2736
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:33,989
really impressed by those things but if

2737
02:04:39,020 --> 02:04:37,610
you gave me one I couldn't duplicate it

2738
02:04:40,939 --> 02:04:39,030
John word

2739
02:04:43,700 --> 02:04:40,949
come down on this you were starting you

2740
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:43,710
you you had me going there for a second

2741
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:45,449
when you were saying there's too much

2742
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:49,650
diversity amongst all these it is just

2743
02:04:55,399 --> 02:04:52,170
too simple too many different things

2744
02:04:57,049 --> 02:04:55,409
going on all throughout I have asked

2745
02:04:59,120 --> 02:04:57,059
repeatedly I haven't come up with a

2746
02:05:02,000 --> 02:04:59,130
sponsor yet so what what I think we need

2747
02:05:04,279 --> 02:05:02,010
is a step back a conference where you

2748
02:05:07,189 --> 02:05:04,289
have people who have had a breadth of

2749
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:07,199
experience we need to put up on the wall

2750
02:05:12,319 --> 02:05:10,170
is here are the observations and to do

2751
02:05:15,879 --> 02:05:12,329
that without attributing value meaning

2752
02:05:18,890 --> 02:05:15,889
it is not necessarily a UFO or

2753
02:05:20,959 --> 02:05:18,900
cryptozoology or you know whatever the

2754
02:05:23,930 --> 02:05:20,969
field might here are the things that we

2755
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:23,940
observe and then start to do the micro

2756
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:26,340
pattern analysis as I mentioned earlier

2757
02:05:31,370 --> 02:05:29,130
we have throughout recorded history of

2758
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:31,380
various kinds of interactions with

2759
02:05:33,859 --> 02:05:33,210
beings now some of them are pretty

2760
02:05:35,540 --> 02:05:33,869
strange

2761
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:35,550
you know the whole stories of fairies

2762
02:05:41,029 --> 02:05:37,650
I've been in Hawaii for a long time the

2763
02:05:44,359 --> 02:05:41,039
Menehune and they take closes absolutely

2764
02:05:48,260 --> 02:05:44,369
real I just came back from Brazil we

2765
02:05:51,950 --> 02:05:48,270
were doing in Curitiba and some

2766
02:05:54,620 --> 02:05:51,960
interesting study our ceremonies down

2767
02:05:57,439 --> 02:05:54,630
there and I was in a room with people

2768
02:05:59,839 --> 02:05:57,449
who were swearing we had creepy crawlers

2769
02:06:01,939 --> 02:05:59,849
there were coming in and visiting us I

2770
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:01,949
didn't see them myself

2771
02:06:06,410 --> 02:06:04,110
but these people were sitting up we're

2772
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:06,420
having interactions with them right now

2773
02:06:14,419 --> 02:06:09,119
what are they would I just call them

2774
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:14,429
creepy crawlers the desert one that

2775
02:06:21,229 --> 02:06:17,280
particular one we had saw ones on salted

2776
02:06:23,419 --> 02:06:21,239
I'm a and this was on a peg or on a and

2777
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:23,429
we mention what to see some of this is

2778
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:27,599
actually on my website but it very very

2779
02:06:36,379 --> 02:06:33,690
strange and the whole realm of human

2780
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:36,389
consciousness and and and and specific

2781
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:41,010
compounds that that have the ability in

2782
02:06:46,729 --> 02:06:43,440
some people's interpretation of opening

2783
02:06:50,450 --> 02:06:46,739
up new aspects of consciousness and the

2784
02:06:52,609 --> 02:06:50,460
perception of reality or or you know a

2785
02:06:53,070 --> 02:06:52,619
beyond reality now do you think that

2786
02:06:56,850 --> 02:06:53,080
this

2787
02:07:00,840 --> 02:06:56,860
into the UFO phenomenon I think they're

2788
02:07:03,330 --> 02:07:00,850
totally related I'll allow a little room

2789
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:03,340
there remember the question is not what

2790
02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:05,920
are UFOs the question in my mind is are

2791
02:07:10,530 --> 02:07:08,290
any UFOs intelligently controlled

2792
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:10,540
extraterrestrial spacecraft my answer is

2793
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:12,730
yes most or not I don't care just like

2794
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:16,230
most isotopes aren't fissionable so what

2795
02:07:24,630 --> 02:07:22,090
we would agree generally on this yes it

2796
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:24,640
doesn't explain all the problem that I

2797
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:26,650
see in the UFO community if they want to

2798
02:07:32,970 --> 02:07:30,730
put it into all or nothing right size

2799
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:32,980
fits all answer which I really have a

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02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:34,930
problem with as listeners of this show

2801
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:38,410
no how about John's website I wanted to

2802
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,090
copy that down so I can go to it

2803
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:42,000
immediately

2804
02:07:55,730 --> 02:07:51,280
thank you it's www.nba.com with that

2805
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:08,700
Alexander before other people get them

2806
02:08:12,980 --> 02:08:10,480
otherwise they will not be available

2807
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:12,990
you'll have to get Stanton Friedman dot

2808
02:08:16,650 --> 02:08:14,170
XXX

2809
02:08:19,950 --> 02:08:16,660
hey we'll get into more of this with

2810
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hi this is Nick Pope you're listening

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through the parrot talk with John

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Alexander and Stanton Friedman joining

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gene and Chris on the para cast covering

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a whole range of subjects related to

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UFOs secrecy's what we know what we

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didn't know Chris you're about to frame

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the question I was and this this is a

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question from again one of our forum

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listeners and and posters Williams 5/20

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who is a fairly new addition to the para

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cast forum family and he asked what does

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Stanton think about the idea that UFOs

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may be or you know he says UFOs in a

2920
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blanket statement but let's say some

2921
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UFOs maybe from another dimension or

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from the future or possibly some sort of

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race or races I would add intelligences

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that are already here well I'm not

2925
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saying there are no such creatures

2926
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that's not the question I'm asking I'm

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asking are any intelligently controlled

2928
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:42,369
extraterrestrial spacecraft my answer is

2929
02:13:48,209 --> 02:13:45,730
yes are any government so my answer is

2930
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:48,219
yes or any figments of the imagination

2931
02:13:54,450 --> 02:13:52,239
my answer is yes I'm focused on the ones

2932
02:13:56,489 --> 02:13:54,460
that indicate technology from afar

2933
02:13:58,770 --> 02:13:56,499
because if we had it we'd be using it

2934
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because we developed such technology for

2935
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military purposes nobody else can afford

2936
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to spend the money frankly so I allow

2937
02:14:08,759 --> 02:14:05,860
room for all kinds of weird stuff but

2938
02:14:11,729 --> 02:14:08,769
it's not my focus I can only be spread

2939
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:11,739
so thin I mean I'm only 77 I how much

2940
02:14:17,339 --> 02:14:13,170
time do I have left

2941
02:14:19,859 --> 02:14:17,349
which trip I love it

2942
02:14:21,839 --> 02:14:19,869
I said which I happen to get in the

2943
02:14:23,069 --> 02:14:21,849
reincarnation issue which is probably a

2944
02:14:25,620 --> 02:14:23,079
different conversation

2945
02:14:28,140 --> 02:14:25,630
well yeah it's an interesting one to me

2946
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:28,150
too and you know someday we'll talk

2947
02:14:34,979 --> 02:14:30,249
about that but I don't talk about that

2948
02:14:36,419 --> 02:14:34,989
in my book so I got enough trouble

2949
02:14:39,330 --> 02:14:36,429
sticking to the flying saucers and

2950
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:39,340
cosmic Watergate and fusion propulsion

2951
02:14:45,029 --> 02:14:42,400
and let me throw one other idea in here

2952
02:14:48,060 --> 02:14:45,039
that this is at a certain special point

2953
02:14:50,279 --> 02:14:48,070
in history you know we gave Copernicus

2954
02:14:51,509 --> 02:14:50,289
credit for taking man out of the center

2955
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:51,519
of the universe the center of the

2956
02:14:54,820 --> 02:14:52,490
universe is this

2957
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:54,830
son and remember his book was banned for

2958
02:14:59,550 --> 02:14:57,530
300 years because everybody knew the

2959
02:15:02,950 --> 02:14:59,560
earth was the middle of the universe

2960
02:15:05,230 --> 02:15:02,960
okay now we know the Sun isn't the

2961
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:05,240
middle of the universe it's a huge place

2962
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:07,010
out there there are all kinds of other

2963
02:15:12,850 --> 02:15:09,110
heavenly bodies and not so expensive

2964
02:15:15,220 --> 02:15:12,860
body is out there and we need to look at

2965
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:15,230
things in an entirely different way and

2966
02:15:20,830 --> 02:15:17,570
one of the ways that's a problem

2967
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:20,840
is our ego suddenly we're not the big

2968
02:15:24,940 --> 02:15:23,450
shots we'd like to think we are and I

2969
02:15:28,150 --> 02:15:24,950
know there are people who think the

2970
02:15:32,290 --> 02:15:28,160
world was created in 4004 BC I think it

2971
02:15:34,420 --> 02:15:32,300
was October 25th I'm not sure I you know

2972
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:34,430
and so that wasn't very long ago but if

2973
02:15:40,030 --> 02:15:36,370
you would say you left out six zeros

2974
02:15:42,580 --> 02:15:40,040
then it makes man's place in the scheme

2975
02:15:45,490 --> 02:15:42,590
of things entirely different and I think

2976
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:45,500
every civilisation has to go through a

2977
02:15:48,580 --> 02:15:47,210
period of time when they think they're

2978
02:15:50,050 --> 02:15:48,590
it because they don't have any

2979
02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:50,060
connection with anyplace else

2980
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:51,710
they don't have any big telescopes they

2981
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:53,210
don't have space travel all the rest of

2982
02:16:00,280 --> 02:15:56,000
that and then there comes a point where

2983
02:16:02,290 --> 02:16:00,290
it's oh we're not on the top of the heap

2984
02:16:04,630 --> 02:16:02,300
some people have trouble with that I

2985
02:16:07,150 --> 02:16:04,640
think I have a question it occurs to me

2986
02:16:09,550 --> 02:16:07,160
Stan because a lot of the viewpoints

2987
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:09,560
you've expressed you have discussed over

2988
02:16:13,660 --> 02:16:11,210
a number of years with different levels

2989
02:16:16,540 --> 02:16:13,670
of evidence are there any assumptions

2990
02:16:19,090 --> 02:16:16,550
that maybe you had about UFOs 20 or 30

2991
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:19,100
years ago that have changed in any way

2992
02:16:25,150 --> 02:16:21,650
yeah I probably have focused much more

2993
02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:25,160
today than I did 20 or 30 years ago on

2994
02:16:30,820 --> 02:16:28,370
the fact that we are a threat to the

2995
02:16:33,370 --> 02:16:30,830
neighborhood that any advanced

2996
02:16:36,430 --> 02:16:33,380
civilization would want to quarantine us

2997
02:16:39,730 --> 02:16:36,440
not join with us that our history would

2998
02:16:41,950 --> 02:16:39,740
give anybody concerned not just because

2999
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:41,960
it killing 50 million people in the

3000
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:43,490
second world war and I know a lot of

3001
02:16:47,020 --> 02:16:45,410
young people have no idea when I say

3002
02:16:49,960 --> 02:16:47,030
that they look at me like I'm crazy what

3003
02:16:51,940 --> 02:16:49,970
do you mean some woman with a college

3004
02:16:53,410 --> 02:16:51,950
education told me no more than 3 or 4

3005
02:16:56,860 --> 02:16:53,420
million people were killed during the

3006
02:16:59,020 --> 02:16:56,870
war it's got a little learning to do so

3007
02:17:03,040 --> 02:16:59,030
I focused much more on that sort of

3008
02:17:05,260 --> 02:17:03,050
thing than I used to and my

3009
02:17:05,959 --> 02:17:05,270
understanding of government has changed

3010
02:17:07,880 --> 02:17:05,969
a bit

3011
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:07,890
John and I can't come to different

3012
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:10,410
conclusions about that I think there's

3013
02:17:15,860 --> 02:17:12,719
an mj-12 out there with a different name

3014
02:17:19,130 --> 02:17:15,870
of course but and I think they're

3015
02:17:22,730 --> 02:17:19,140
running that show I letter will ever

3016
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:22,740
find out I don't know I don't expect any

3017
02:17:27,950 --> 02:17:25,610
deathbed confessions to you John well I

3018
02:17:34,220 --> 02:17:27,960
don't think there's anything to confess

3019
02:17:35,780 --> 02:17:34,230
to yeah but no I mean if you want a

3020
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:35,790
different discussion we can talk about

3021
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:38,160
where government is headed in that and I

3022
02:17:42,100 --> 02:17:40,170
have really dire predictions and we've

3023
02:17:46,190 --> 02:17:42,110
entered a plethora see and I think we're

3024
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,200
approaching the the end of capitalism if

3025
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:48,960
not democracy as we've known it most

3026
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:50,730
things scare me too and I must admit

3027
02:17:57,440 --> 02:17:53,850
that and you know where do we go from

3028
02:17:59,900 --> 02:17:57,450
here in this new world of ours with its

3029
02:18:02,150 --> 02:17:59,910
new technology and instant

3030
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:02,160
communications all over the planet I

3031
02:18:06,020 --> 02:18:04,050
mean the internet if you'd have talked

3032
02:18:07,910 --> 02:18:06,030
about the Internet sixty years ago

3033
02:18:12,169 --> 02:18:07,920
they'd have put you in the loony bin

3034
02:18:14,660 --> 02:18:12,179
John don't you think oh yes and the

3035
02:18:16,700 --> 02:18:14,670
technology is certainly moving of course

3036
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:16,710
a big issue is going to be who controls

3037
02:18:23,140 --> 02:18:19,410
it and for what purpose one of the

3038
02:18:26,470 --> 02:18:23,150
things that I wrote to in my real life a

3039
02:18:29,060 --> 02:18:26,480
monograph awhile back had to do with I

3040
02:18:32,300 --> 02:18:29,070
came up and said look the the nation

3041
02:18:35,209 --> 02:18:32,310
stage as a failing concept meaning that

3042
02:18:37,340 --> 02:18:35,219
countries as we've known are no longer

3043
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:37,350
as significant as they were in the past

3044
02:18:42,370 --> 02:18:40,110
well I certainly agree with that and I

3045
02:18:44,750 --> 02:18:42,380
can't imagine the Galactic Federation

3046
02:18:48,050 --> 02:18:44,760
allowing membership from individual

3047
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:48,060
countries got to be a planet you know

3048
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:50,490
the UN doesn't allow cities to join why

3049
02:18:55,340 --> 02:18:53,130
would the Galactic Federation especially

3050
02:18:57,760 --> 02:18:55,350
allow a primitive society like ours

3051
02:19:00,440 --> 02:18:57,770
whose major activity is tribal warfare

3052
02:19:03,350 --> 02:19:00,450
so they would look at us as an entire

3053
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:03,360
planet not a bunch of tribes or

3054
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:05,130
countries or whatever they can think of

3055
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:07,290
us in those terms right we're all

3056
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:08,160
earthlings

3057
02:19:16,100 --> 02:19:11,370
so we have to then get to the point of

3058
02:19:18,470 --> 02:19:16,110
if the et representatives come here

3059
02:19:19,550 --> 02:19:18,480
whoever and whatever they are and they

3060
02:19:22,270 --> 02:19:19,560
say take us to

3061
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:22,280
your leader to whom do we take them

3062
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:25,650
there isn't one yeah that's true

3063
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:27,810
I mean one of the things I point out is

3064
02:19:37,610 --> 02:19:33,200
that you know there's now 196 countries

3065
02:19:40,130 --> 02:19:37,620
we get totally focused on the US and

3066
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:40,140
we're only four percent of the global

3067
02:19:46,781 --> 02:19:42,930
population six percent of the land mass

3068
02:19:49,791 --> 02:19:46,791
less than two percent of the surface so

3069
02:19:51,501 --> 02:19:49,801
why is it you got to come here you know

3070
02:19:53,751 --> 02:19:51,511
I don't want to get political and say

3071
02:19:57,411 --> 02:19:53,761
why would they go to a rising power like

3072
02:19:59,751 --> 02:19:57,421
China Brazil or India or India yeah they

3073
02:20:01,161 --> 02:19:59,761
even care about our local politics why

3074
02:20:07,791 --> 02:20:01,171
would it make a difference to them

3075
02:20:10,581 --> 02:20:07,801
because we are we can take off and go

3076
02:20:13,251 --> 02:20:10,591
there how we them if we just tried we

3077
02:20:16,220 --> 02:20:13,261
ourselves if you look at the trend in

3078
02:20:19,730 --> 02:20:16,230
technology using nuclear fusion we can

3079
02:20:21,381 --> 02:20:19,740
take off and go there not yet what maybe

3080
02:20:22,850 --> 02:20:21,391
a hundred years from you gotta wait

3081
02:20:25,881 --> 02:20:22,860
until the guy is standing on your

3082
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:25,891
doorstep with the bomb I don't think so

3083
02:20:29,991 --> 02:20:28,080
therefore that dictates that they would

3084
02:20:32,661 --> 02:20:30,001
be hostile they'd come here and say

3085
02:20:34,701 --> 02:20:32,671
either get your act together as they

3086
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:34,711
said in the movie Day the Earth Stood

3087
02:20:44,451 --> 02:20:37,410
Still get your act together or we'll

3088
02:20:49,091 --> 02:20:44,461
take you out no they are not going to do

3089
02:20:57,560 --> 02:20:54,350
we hope I have to rule you have to hope

3090
02:20:59,650 --> 02:20:57,570
there is a there is a prime directive a

3091
02:21:02,001 --> 02:20:59,660
non interference treaty or agreement

3092
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:02,011
amongst the powers of this Galactic

3093
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:04,080
Federation and say leave those

3094
02:21:09,140 --> 02:21:06,570
Earthlings alone if they get a little

3095
02:21:11,511 --> 02:21:09,150
too close for comfort we could stop them

3096
02:21:14,871 --> 02:21:11,521
head them off of the pass or foreign aid

3097
02:21:16,220 --> 02:21:14,881
proper message sure where do you come

3098
02:21:22,371 --> 02:21:16,230
down on that John what do you think

3099
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:22,381
about you know very similar actually the

3100
02:21:28,041 --> 02:21:25,530
point is that I think that any agency

3101
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:28,051
out there good I think these movies that

3102
02:21:32,540 --> 02:21:29,730
the you know show the hostile

3103
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:32,550
interaction are just totally specious

3104
02:21:37,540 --> 02:21:33,690
they're not going to fight us

3105
02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:37,550
mano-a-mano like you know battlefield la

3106
02:21:43,370 --> 02:21:41,370
and to those people who say well ETS

3107
02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:43,380
here and they're benevolent and helping

3108
02:21:48,290 --> 02:21:46,290
us I say you know if they came they came

3109
02:21:50,990 --> 02:21:48,300
with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

3110
02:21:54,140 --> 02:21:51,000
you know they certainly have not done

3111
02:21:58,010 --> 02:21:54,150
anything to help with Stanley mentioned

3112
02:22:04,330 --> 02:21:58,020
the wars that are ongoing poverty food

3113
02:22:08,450 --> 02:22:04,340
water scarcity whole town geography and

3114
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:08,460
you don't give a three-year-old I'll

3115
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tell you what we all know for three

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years old or five we have Stanton

3117
02:22:17,150 --> 02:22:15,000
Friedman and John Alexander collectively

3118
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a lot more than three or three oh

3119
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they're not 300 sure listening did you

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3203
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assistance of heart and body extract you

3204
02:26:23,109 --> 02:26:20,779
did a double take when she looked at my

3205
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:23,119
er labs believe it

3206
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:25,760
order at HB extract calm or call eight

3207
02:26:32,290 --> 02:26:29,359
six six two nine five 5305 that's HB

3208
02:26:35,950 --> 02:26:32,300
extract calm or call eight six six two

3209
02:26:39,730 --> 02:26:35,960
nine five 5305 thank you heart and body

3210
02:26:46,480 --> 02:26:43,330
hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

3211
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:46,490
parrot cast and it's as good as it gets

3212
02:26:51,551 --> 02:26:49,210
believe me

3213
02:26:53,801 --> 02:26:51,561
hey there neighbors if you have a

3214
02:26:55,631 --> 02:26:53,811
comment or a question about the power

3215
02:26:58,421 --> 02:26:55,641
cast we want to hear from you first

3216
02:27:01,381 --> 02:26:58,431
write us news at the power cast calm

3217
02:27:04,690 --> 02:27:01,391
once again that's news at the Parra cast

3218
02:27:07,150 --> 02:27:04,700
dot-com our final segment folks with

3219
02:27:09,761 --> 02:27:07,160
gene and Chris and the para cast with

3220
02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:09,771
John Alexander and Stanton Friedman a

3221
02:27:17,051 --> 02:27:13,130
very amiable debate about the issues so

3222
02:27:19,780 --> 02:27:17,061
in the end here we be a threat to ET if

3223
02:27:20,980 --> 02:27:19,790
we go there and bring our bombs but

3224
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:20,990
otherwise not

3225
02:27:27,730 --> 02:27:23,840
but then again doesn't that present the

3226
02:27:31,631 --> 02:27:27,740
possibility that our visitors have to be

3227
02:27:33,461 --> 02:27:31,641
a potential threat so John Alexander if

3228
02:27:36,131 --> 02:27:33,471
you're saying the government doesn't

3229
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:36,141
really care doesn't that show even a

3230
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:38,570
theoretical possibility that they must

3231
02:27:44,650 --> 02:27:42,530
care no simply does not meet this

3232
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:44,660
constant there's one number that's

3233
02:27:54,370 --> 02:27:48,080
important and that number today is 14

3234
02:27:56,850 --> 02:27:54,380
trillion 718 billion 598 etcetera

3235
02:28:00,790 --> 02:27:56,860
etcetera and that's the debt that

3236
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:00,800
overwhelms everything just as I said

3237
02:28:06,310 --> 02:28:04,130
before not on let's go they just haven't

3238
02:28:08,921 --> 02:28:06,320
got time to listen well I certainly

3239
02:28:11,381 --> 02:28:08,931
agree with John that I can see no signs

3240
02:28:14,410 --> 02:28:11,391
of people on this planet mounting a

3241
02:28:15,730 --> 02:28:14,420
group to go out there and bother them I

3242
02:28:18,970 --> 02:28:15,740
would agree with that

3243
02:28:20,350 --> 02:28:18,980
on the other hand one might ask what are

3244
02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:20,360
we spending this year at trillion

3245
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:23,090
dollars on things military some people

3246
02:28:27,610 --> 02:28:25,010
might say there might be a better way to

3247
02:28:30,011 --> 02:28:27,620
spend that money we're not spending it

3248
02:28:31,631 --> 02:28:30,021
on the space program certainly we've cut

3249
02:28:34,570 --> 02:28:31,641
back on a space problem you'd think that

3250
02:28:36,850 --> 02:28:34,580
we had the slightest inkling that et was

3251
02:28:39,970 --> 02:28:36,860
out there wouldn't that be an incentive

3252
02:28:42,011 --> 02:28:39,980
to enhance our space program or do

3253
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:42,021
either of you believe in a secret space

3254
02:28:47,410 --> 02:28:45,170
program that is really accomplishing

3255
02:28:50,381 --> 02:28:47,420
whatever we expect the public space

3256
02:28:52,060 --> 02:28:50,391
program to accomplish in my view not

3257
02:28:56,470 --> 02:28:52,070
know slightest

3258
02:28:59,320 --> 02:28:56,480
like I mean the movie of Holloway team I

3259
02:29:01,000 --> 02:28:59,330
haven't seen again so you better hurry

3260
02:29:05,530 --> 02:29:01,010
because that thing's gonna disappear

3261
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:05,540
Phil multi-way is by a funny last long

3262
02:29:11,290 --> 02:29:08,570
but now the point is that we're actually

3263
02:29:14,140 --> 02:29:11,300
in space we're in transition in two

3264
02:29:16,990 --> 02:29:14,150
areas one is moving into the civilian

3265
02:29:19,930 --> 02:29:17,000
sector we're going to take out the other

3266
02:29:22,511 --> 02:29:19,940
has to do with the leader is going to

3267
02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:22,521
become China and you know they're

3268
02:29:28,090 --> 02:29:26,690
enroute to the moon and beyond so

3269
02:29:30,280 --> 02:29:28,100
they're the ones that are going to be

3270
02:29:34,810 --> 02:29:30,290
pressing it do we have a secret program

3271
02:29:37,330 --> 02:29:34,820
well if you mean we have just used up

3272
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:37,340
all the money in the piggy bank and

3273
02:29:43,180 --> 02:29:41,810
borrowed a whole lot more so and it

3274
02:29:45,130 --> 02:29:43,190
stands right when each I was talking

3275
02:29:47,860 --> 02:29:45,140
about if we had these technologies you

3276
02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:47,870
would have seen it we got wars that have

3277
02:29:52,180 --> 02:29:50,210
just been eating or lunch and I think

3278
02:29:55,060 --> 02:29:52,190
the American public just do not even

3279
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:55,070
begin to understand you know what the

3280
02:29:58,450 --> 02:29:57,050
costs are going to be you mentioned a

3281
02:30:02,050 --> 02:29:58,460
trillion dollars we've got you know

3282
02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:02,060
three trillion locked up in these wars

3283
02:30:07,300 --> 02:30:05,600
when you advertise everything there's

3284
02:30:09,940 --> 02:30:07,310
not enough left over and you look at

3285
02:30:12,250 --> 02:30:09,950
what was going on in Hollow we're down

3286
02:30:15,700 --> 02:30:12,260
you know an order of magnitude below

3287
02:30:18,011 --> 02:30:15,710
that and spending well and you know you

3288
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:18,021
know what what bugs me is that when I

3289
02:30:21,790 --> 02:30:20,090
worked on the space program I and

3290
02:30:23,860 --> 02:30:21,800
everybody else I knew in the space where

3291
02:30:25,630 --> 02:30:23,870
I'm thought that by this time we'd have

3292
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:25,640
had a base on the moon we have gone to

3293
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:28,850
Mars and what I find most disquieting is

3294
02:30:31,570 --> 02:30:30,650
that I think what's been missing is

3295
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:31,580
leadership

3296
02:30:36,730 --> 02:30:34,160
I look at Admiral rickover getting the

3297
02:30:38,860 --> 02:30:36,740
nuclear Navy moving despite the

3298
02:30:42,310 --> 02:30:38,870
opponents and the battleship boys and

3299
02:30:43,870 --> 02:30:42,320
all that sort of stuff and I look at I

3300
02:30:46,690 --> 02:30:43,880
worked on at least four different

3301
02:30:48,970 --> 02:30:46,700
programs that needed Rickover's kind of

3302
02:30:51,430 --> 02:30:48,980
leadership some people hated his guts I

3303
02:30:54,310 --> 02:30:51,440
realized that but he said this is where

3304
02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:54,320
we're going let's get there if you don't

3305
02:30:58,900 --> 02:30:56,050
want to go there get off the train and

3306
02:31:00,700 --> 02:30:58,910
we haven't had any space leadership

3307
02:31:03,460 --> 02:31:00,710
since Kennedy said get to the moon by

3308
02:31:05,140 --> 02:31:03,470
the end of the decade we just want the

3309
02:31:06,700 --> 02:31:05,150
money coming in so I'm John

3310
02:31:09,490 --> 02:31:06,710
I'm glad you mentioned the civilian

3311
02:31:10,091 --> 02:31:09,500
space program let the civilians get in

3312
02:31:12,700 --> 02:31:10,101
the act

3313
02:31:15,190 --> 02:31:12,710
what characterizes capitalism is the

3314
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:15,200
right to fail look at all the computer

3315
02:31:20,740 --> 02:31:17,690
companies that don't exist anymore but

3316
02:31:23,410 --> 02:31:20,750
some guys have done very well that

3317
02:31:26,020 --> 02:31:23,420
competition is what what drives things

3318
02:31:29,140 --> 02:31:26,030
and seeing that there's a benefit to be

3319
02:31:31,450 --> 02:31:29,150
gained if you are successful and we

3320
02:31:34,211 --> 02:31:31,460
haven't done that with space I'm afraid

3321
02:31:36,180 --> 02:31:34,221
and I'm terribly disappointed with that

3322
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:36,190
because I thought my great-grandson

3323
02:31:43,390 --> 02:31:39,290
would be growing up in a much more space

3324
02:31:45,041 --> 02:31:43,400
related time than we are that's a

3325
02:31:51,421 --> 02:31:45,051
disappointment to me I think we blew it

3326
02:31:55,301 --> 02:31:51,431
well is there a way or an incentive to

3327
02:31:57,551 --> 02:31:55,311
convey the impression that we really

3328
02:31:59,261 --> 02:31:57,561
have to get into space I would have

3329
02:32:02,171 --> 02:31:59,271
thought the UFO mystery would have done

3330
02:32:04,390 --> 02:32:02,181
it but what do I know well I think

3331
02:32:07,810 --> 02:32:04,400
there's a national security aspect there

3332
02:32:09,791 --> 02:32:07,820
that gets in the way I don't I think

3333
02:32:13,770 --> 02:32:09,801
what's happening now and what's happened

3334
02:32:18,671 --> 02:32:13,780
I know both burgers han and big wall and

3335
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:18,681
what bert attacked in spaceship one is

3336
02:32:25,331 --> 02:32:22,160
basically the business model you know

3337
02:32:28,501 --> 02:32:25,341
for 25 million he built spaceship one

3338
02:32:31,301 --> 02:32:28,511
the white knight to separate rocket

3339
02:32:33,490 --> 02:32:31,311
designs and thus all the supporting

3340
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:33,500
mechanism and NASA couldn't do the

3341
02:32:38,470 --> 02:32:36,110
paperwork for that it was recently

3342
02:32:41,261 --> 02:32:38,480
talking to bomb as access I wanted to

3343
02:32:45,160 --> 02:32:41,271
confirm some things and I was amortizes

3344
02:32:50,621 --> 02:32:45,170
cost based on you know cubic footage

3345
02:32:52,961 --> 02:32:50,631
available an object in orbit and his I

3346
02:32:54,730 --> 02:32:52,971
asked him and he said I had guessed it

3347
02:32:57,371 --> 02:32:54,740
was about thirty to one and he said

3348
02:32:59,350 --> 02:32:57,381
that's very conservative so the point is

3349
02:33:02,081 --> 02:32:59,360
that these people are attacking the

3350
02:33:05,261 --> 02:33:02,091
business model now Virgin Galactic right

3351
02:33:09,331 --> 02:33:05,271
now looking at their numbers 430 people

3352
02:33:14,140 --> 02:33:09,341
have signed up to become astronauts at

3353
02:33:15,730 --> 02:33:14,150
$200,000 a pop so there are some things

3354
02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:15,740
to be gained you know money to be made

3355
02:33:19,300 --> 02:33:18,860
there well we're probably in full

3356
02:33:21,099 --> 02:33:19,310
agreement

3357
02:33:23,710 --> 02:33:21,109
on the need for the private space

3358
02:33:25,809 --> 02:33:23,720
program the government had its shot at

3359
02:33:29,859 --> 02:33:25,819
it and blew it as far as I'm concerned

3360
02:33:32,229 --> 02:33:29,869
we need a doctor a Hans Zarkov to invent

3361
02:33:35,170 --> 02:33:32,239
his spaceship and that's how we solve

3362
02:33:36,519 --> 02:33:35,180
the problem John Alexander you listened

3363
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:36,529
as you have in the past

3364
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:38,720
- what Stanton Friedman has said about

3365
02:33:44,740 --> 02:33:42,319
UFO secrecy the cosmic Watergate has he

3366
02:33:49,210 --> 02:33:44,750
said anything that changes your opinion

3367
02:33:51,010 --> 02:33:49,220
in any way know one of the things I'd

3368
02:33:53,710 --> 02:33:51,020
like to say is because I get asked about

3369
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:53,720
my agenda and it's really quite simple

3370
02:33:59,019 --> 02:33:56,720
and a little different and that is that

3371
02:34:01,330 --> 02:33:59,029
I think what we need to do is to make it

3372
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:01,340
permissible for scientists to get

3373
02:34:06,849 --> 02:34:03,920
actively involved in these fields

3374
02:34:10,330 --> 02:34:06,859
without risking their reputation or

3375
02:34:10,689 --> 02:34:10,340
livelihood here here that's that's a

3376
02:34:13,510 --> 02:34:10,699
biggie

3377
02:34:15,309 --> 02:34:13,520
yeah I constantly railed about the

3378
02:34:17,469 --> 02:34:15,319
ancient academics and fossilized

3379
02:34:19,540 --> 02:34:17,479
physicists who stand in the way of

3380
02:34:22,059 --> 02:34:19,550
people doing what needs to be done

3381
02:34:24,460 --> 02:34:22,069
because oh my god don't tell anybody I'm

3382
02:34:25,540 --> 02:34:24,470
interested I might lose tenure well

3383
02:34:34,179 --> 02:34:25,550
you're way past that

3384
02:34:36,580 --> 02:34:34,189
stand me good okay so I will ask the

3385
02:34:41,170 --> 02:34:36,590
same questions you can you can see the

3386
02:34:43,479 --> 02:34:41,180
scars Stan I'll ask the same question of

3387
02:34:45,639 --> 02:34:43,489
you anything you've heard from John

3388
02:34:48,069 --> 02:34:45,649
Alexander during the past couple of

3389
02:34:50,649 --> 02:34:48,079
hours or so change any of your

3390
02:34:52,510 --> 02:34:50,659
viewpoints at all well we are certainly

3391
02:34:54,819 --> 02:34:52,520
in agreement about a number of things so

3392
02:34:56,859 --> 02:34:54,829
let's face it and I was very interested

3393
02:35:00,519 --> 02:34:56,869
in his comments about Corso and stuff

3394
02:35:04,090 --> 02:35:00,529
and I think we we disagree about how

3395
02:35:06,250 --> 02:35:04,100
deep is the cover-up he doesn't think

3396
02:35:08,830 --> 02:35:06,260
there is one I say there is one but it's

3397
02:35:10,809 --> 02:35:08,840
very deep and I wish somebody who was

3398
02:35:13,649 --> 02:35:10,819
part of that would come forward darn it

3399
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:13,659
makes my life a lot easier you're here

3400
02:35:18,219 --> 02:35:16,130
but it's kind of doubtful at this point

3401
02:35:19,809 --> 02:35:18,229
that they'll do it if they've been able

3402
02:35:21,550 --> 02:35:19,819
to keep this secret assuming it is a

3403
02:35:23,530 --> 02:35:21,560
secret for over 60 years

3404
02:35:26,139 --> 02:35:23,540
how can anyone expect they would

3405
02:35:28,090 --> 02:35:26,149
possibly suddenly reveal something

3406
02:35:29,740 --> 02:35:28,100
unless they were forced to do so Stanton

3407
02:35:32,500 --> 02:35:29,750
Friedman where do we find more of the

3408
02:35:33,281 --> 02:35:32,510
things that you talk and write about say

3409
02:35:36,220 --> 02:35:33,291
that again

3410
02:35:39,611 --> 02:35:36,230
oh I misunderstood the question and pry

3411
02:35:41,861 --> 02:35:39,621
my website at triple w dot Stanton

3412
02:35:45,071 --> 02:35:41,871
Friedman calm it lists the books that

3413
02:35:47,350 --> 02:35:45,081
lists the upcoming lectures and some

3414
02:35:51,430 --> 02:35:47,360
provocative articles including a long

3415
02:35:53,051 --> 02:35:51,440
one on majestic 12 which deals with the

3416
02:35:56,501 --> 02:35:53,061
objections that have been made over the

3417
02:35:58,751 --> 02:35:56,511
years try it out okay John Alexander

3418
02:36:01,571 --> 02:35:58,761
where do we find more of the things that

3419
02:36:04,211 --> 02:36:01,581
you write about of course

3420
02:36:08,111 --> 02:36:04,221
my latest book is UFOs myths

3421
02:36:11,020 --> 02:36:08,121
conspiracies and realities I cover a lot

3422
02:36:14,051 --> 02:36:11,030
of different areas phenomenology being

3423
02:36:15,191 --> 02:36:14,061
only one of those and my website is the

3424
02:36:20,441 --> 02:36:15,201
same thing my name

3425
02:36:22,841 --> 02:36:20,451
ww John B Alexander has problem and wits

3426
02:36:26,051 --> 02:36:22,851
in the middle initial is important John

3427
02:36:29,381 --> 02:36:26,061
B Alexander calm okay so you'll both

3428
02:36:31,211 --> 02:36:29,391
obviously answer letters from your

3429
02:36:34,511 --> 02:36:31,221
readers Chris we're fine we're your

3430
02:36:36,701 --> 02:36:34,521
stuff well I am a moderator at forum dot

3431
02:36:39,821 --> 02:36:36,711
the para cast calm and I have a website

3432
02:36:41,831 --> 02:36:39,831
called our strange planet calm it is a

3433
02:36:44,470 --> 02:36:41,841
strange planet in it's our strange

3434
02:36:47,651 --> 02:36:44,480
planet a special thank you to both John

3435
02:36:49,211 --> 02:36:47,661
Alexander and Stanton Friedman thank you

3436
02:37:00,139 --> 02:36:49,221
gentlemen for being a part of this

3437
02:37:05,189 --> 02:37:03,389
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3438
02:37:08,309 --> 02:37:05,199
and Christopher o'brien

3439
02:37:12,090 --> 02:37:08,319
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3440
02:37:16,050 --> 02:37:12,100
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